Originally Posted by anonymous

One of the leading market research and analytics companies in the world. They were one of the few that accurately predicted the complete and utter failure of the Iphone.

Originally Posted by choufleur47

yea. i worked for them (among others) on some market research contracts when i was in india. Usually, when we cant fulfill the requirements of the contract, we just make things up. fake surveys, fake numbers, fake CEOs. the value of these surveys is not on what its based as it usually is more than 50% fake (up to 80%), its more on how people will react to the results.

So these numbers here dont prove or disprove anything except the past. future is a different thing and it will be interesting to see how it goes. especially since this nokia+ms= <3 thing

Also, concerning WM vs WP. The way i see it is, people that were buying smartphones 5 years ago know what is WM, but they are early adopters of new tech, so they must also be well aware and informed that WP is completely different.

also i dont think wm was that bad. i actually find it more useful than wp7 as of now and i had to chose between wm and ios at the time and i took the att tilt and never regreted it. with the proper multitasking, copy/paste, ms exchange, office, etc. it was the best option for me.

to danramos


also, i dont know you and i might be wrong (and im sorry if i am, but its hard to get the tone used when reading...), but you seem like an arrogant prick to me by the way you respond to others and it seems the only thing you can do is disagree. so now im gonna disagree with you:

you blame others to use annecdotal evidence but you did it yourself

its not a os update, its a new os so dont say it comes from year 1920 or something. its brand new, no matter how you put it, you were wrong, just admit it.

you make assumptions based on nothing ("many in the industry are interpreting from the longstanding history of these lines of products" really? who?) when i look at a review online, they tell me what the product is, not what the company did 5 years ago

you say fm radio transmitter is useless (when its ****ing awesome) and you think most people have a new car with bluetooth when the avereage car age in the USA is 10 years old and still have cassette player.

you say its just been 4 years since iphone so teens should remember the wm experience when in reality, nobody gived a damn about smartphones back then except businesses. like kojacker, azkay and richwhite proved, even if there actually WERE wm phones in almost every store selling phones, most dont remember that because NOBODY CARED ABOUT SMARTPHONES 5 YEARS AGO.

you say "I still think that you're just not looking at the bigger picture and myopically focused on the idea that Windows Phone 7 is supposed to be new code. I don't think the broader market of consumers will care about that detail"
when in fact, the detail is the ****in W in wp7 that no mass consumer will give a damn about because they never heard of wm before anyway and are not dumb enough to think its the same thing anyway and will TRY the phone, in their hand, in the store, and see how it works because mass consumers buy phones in retail outlets.
You really think a 15years old kid will care about wp7 vs wm??? Really? whos not looking at the big picture here?

you post a stupid quote wich is in no way relevant to the subject and posted by someone who is clearly biased. By the way, this ******ed argument was used by apple fanboys few years ago when android just arrived on the market. guess whos laughing now?

finally, id like to say that I DONT KNOW what will happen to WP7 and Nokia and i dont pretend to know. I dont think they are doomed, but maybe they are. Time will tell...and time is not 1 quarter, id say 1-2years, like the time it took for android to really get momentum.

...sorry for the rant...and once again, sorry if i got you wrong, but thats how i felt it reading your posts.

Originally Posted by choufleur47

yea. i worked for them (among others) on some market research contracts when i was in india. Usually, when we cant fulfill the requirements of the contract, we just make things up. fake surveys, fake numbers, fake CEOs. the value of these surveys is not on what its based as it usually is more than 50% fake (up to 80%), its more on how people will react to the results.

Originally Posted by choufleur47

50 to 80% lies in the surveys we did yes. its not like i had a choice, i was an employee. how often do you tell your boss : hey boss, i dont care if you lose this 25k $ project, i wont do what you tell me to do.

i went there for a management internship and i was lured to this stupid job. i had no money as i am a full time student and i was paid 300$ a month there working 50h/week, barely enough to survive. so my little fancy morals got out of the way and i decided to shut the hell up and do what i was told to do.

but you clearly have superior morals and are a better person than me.

Originally Posted by danramos

Somebody was frustrated enough to create himself a second account. Welcome "new guy".