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Originally Posted by beatmag
I guess personal responsibility that often in media seems to be lacking when talking about North American people and I don't mean Canadians now, might be one reason why Xterm is not considered mass market feature. When will the first law suit come forth when people claim they didn't know you could ruin your phone with it? And yeah I know it might be hard to brick N900 but might still be possible?
symbian is pretty high end OS. and dont forget its a mass market OS.
Windows mobile also....
they ship netbooks with linux. that comes with xterm.
your argument is old fashioned. as long as maemo just works and is relatively easy to use. the high end stuff wouldn't bother the average person. this is where maemo could potentially be a win for both high end users and people who just need a elegant phone with elegant interface.
there is no reason for N900 to be 180grams. it doesn't even come with a glass screen lol. even if it was 180grams...what 18mm thick....come on. for a phone as big as the iphone but twice as thick....almost. with the similar hardware inside an iphone.
And comparing the weight of N900 and iPhone, I rather have HW keyboard AND removable battery if those alone bring the weight where it is now.
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I am not a coder, not a tablet heavy user, N900 is first one for me.
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2009-09-26
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nokia - 130grams please.... 150 if you must.
dont make phones too thick either. doesn't fit in my pocket, and i dont have handbag...
dont make phones too thick either. doesn't fit in my pocket, and i dont have handbag...
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2009-09-26
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Originally Posted by beatmag
this is very naive. if it is as simple to add a keyboard to mobile device as expressed above, there would be much more qwerty - keyboards in them....
.almost. with the similar hardware inside an iphone. (this literally means the keyboard weights like roughly 50grams........) iphone is 136grams ........ n900 being 181grams...
1) physical qwerty vs no, major difference in hardware i would say
2) microsd - slot
3) removable battery (increases device size atleast)
4) keyboard is very light, but a mechanism for the keyboard is another thing if you want it to feel solid, not like £2 chinese slide form phone.
5) what was iphones resolution again? n900 has 800x480
6) connectors (tv-out, standard ones vs iphones propietary,....)
and so on...
so what is common @ hardware?
-processor.
-amount of memory (e:ram) if i remember correct
-storage size when talking about iphone 3gs 32gb
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2009-09-26
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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat
Actually, no Mexican has ever done anything to me. Nor for me. So there.
What did the Mexicans ever do to you?
Some people are so rude.
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I am not a coder, not a tablet heavy user, N900 is first one for me.
My only asset in here is cool head and common sense.
Stupidity is the thing I hate the most.
That that doesn't kill you, is going to hurt like hell. Or leave a scar.
I am not a coder, not a tablet heavy user, N900 is first one for me.
My only asset in here is cool head and common sense.
Stupidity is the thing I hate the most.
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2009-09-26
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Originally Posted by beatmag
well i guess everything has already been said about this topic, it's more a philosophical question whether the "mass market" prefers complex and customizable devices or simple, design-over-function products. (Or sometimes rather a geographical and cultural question
symbian is pretty high end OS. and dont forget its a mass market OS.
Windows mobile also....
they ship netbooks with linux. that comes with xterm.
your argument is old fashioned. as long as maemo just works and is relatively easy to use. the high end stuff wouldn't bother the average person. this is where maemo could potentially be a win for both high end users and people who just need a elegant phone with elegant interface.
there is no reason for N900 to be 180grams. it doesn't even come with a glass screen (i think it doesn't, not sure, no one seems to have commented it being glass so i guess not )lol. even if it was 180grams...what 18mm thick....come on. for a phone as big as the iphone but twice as thick....almost. with the similar hardware inside an iphone. (this literally means the keyboard weights like roughly 50grams........) iphone is 136grams ........ n900 being 181grams...
)return rate is at least four times higher for Linux netbooks than Windows XP netbooks
The point is: Average Joe doesn't care what's under the hood, but likes the "it just works" approach. That ultimately results in designers having to disable capabilities that could make a product become less stable.
This is a conservative approach. Yet tinkerers and developers prefer progressive devices which let them have more freedom for the cost of a less stable user experience.
That's why it's a pain to modify apple mac hardware, but said hardware is usually running a stable OS (at least it was like that for quite some time). Yet overclockers and modders using apple hardware are a scarce sight.
There ultimately will be future phones as open as modern PCs, yet running stable and being easy to use. Everyone will have one, with no one caring about the long way these products have come.
Concerning 136grams vs 181grams:
hardware keyboard, keyboard slider mechanism, exchangeable battery, exchangeable micro-sd card, way better and bigger camera, lens protection mechanism, slot for touchscreen pen, stand, higher battery capacity.
45 grams more is a steal.
Sorry for OTing the eldar thread.
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I'm typing way too slow... when I started, there were no replies to that quote...
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All in all, it seems cellular voice IS the can of worms some feared. Funny how that little radio changed the perception and expectations of the device.
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2009-09-26
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Originally Posted by attila77
And it looks like it's here to stay, since all the "tethering via another phone"-related bugs have been closed.
All in all, it seems cellular voice IS the can of worms some feared.
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Originally Posted by attila77
the resulting increased price did.
All in all, it seems cellular voice IS the can of worms some feared. Funny how that little radio changed the perception and expectations of the device.
cause and consequence.
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Originally Posted by quingu
Dell Says High Linux Netbook Returns a "Non-Issue"
return rate is at least four times higher for Linux netbooks than Windows XP netbooks
Todd Finch, Dell senior product marketing manager, said the number of Linux returns are approximately the same as those for Windows netbooks. He categorized the matter of returns as a 'non-issue.' 'They are making something of nothing,' he said of Microsoft's claims.
Originally Posted by quingu
Well, that doesn't explain the success of windows (where things usually work badly if at all, unless by "just works" you mean typing arcane incantations in the windows' registry editor).
The point is: Average Joe doesn't care what's under the hood, but likes the "it just works" approach.
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Windows mobile also....
they ship netbooks with linux. that comes with xterm.
your argument is old fashioned. as long as maemo just works and is relatively easy to use. the high end stuff wouldn't bother the average person. this is where maemo could potentially be a win for both high end users and people who just need a elegant phone with elegant interface.
there is no reason for N900 to be 180grams. it doesn't even come with a glass screen (i think it doesn't, not sure, no one seems to have commented it being glass so i guess not )lol. even if it was 180grams...what 18mm thick....come on. for a phone as big as the iphone but twice as thick....almost. with the similar hardware inside an iphone. (this literally means the keyboard weights like roughly 50grams........) iphone is 136grams ........ n900 being 181grams...
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