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Originally Posted by Devyn
r u italian too? meglio per te but the "stupid" word keep it with u
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
This is incorrect. Applications generally place files and/or symlinks in the root filesystem, and some applications do modify files that were installed as part of the firmware; however, it is far from true that "every developer" modifies "the boot sector". There's little in the maemo.org repositories that even touches initfs.
...every developer who has written new software and set it up with the communities approval is in fact playing with fire because whilst implementing this software to the exsisting OS they are in fact re-writing some very important parts of the OS in particular the boot sector...
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Sorry, I commented on Joorin's reply to you in the post beforehand.
Could you please read my post before yours and comment?
I don't have anything to say about your last comment. Why did you want my response specifically?
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2010-05-03
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@ Berlin - Love this city!!
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
THIS is potentially very very dangerous and FAR FAR more dangerous than the update that came from within China.
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This is in fact far more dangerous to the OS than the update from China ever was or will be and the very reason the update has given even more problems after flashing is simply because the OS has been obliterated in some or many cases from previous installs from this very community.
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"Meamo"
First two statements: wrong.
After installing "bad software" you can reflash at any time and everything will be fine again.
After installing the stolen, unfinished update you can't reflash back to the official, properly tested and released firmware without losing the phone capabillities of the N900.
So that's far more dangerous.
And yes, it seems, that you're loving yourself (spanish: me amo) mister engineer.
Last edited by zehjotkah; 2010-05-03 at 13:37.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
I assume that you have read bugzilla commenting between bug reporters and Nokia employees? Thatīs pretty standard stuff.
.....what has been going on and although i am no where near complete i will tell you a few of my findings ok and you i suggest you need to at least read and try to understand what i am saying.
You have no choice but to agree that many people have started to develop software for use on the N900 and implementing them on this very community (i am on about the apps etc etc)
, ok look at this situation and i will try if you will allow it to actually sink in, explain something very important here, every developer who has written new software and set it up with the communities approval is in fact playing with fire because whilst implementing this software to the exsisting OS they are in fact re-writing some very important parts of the OS in particular the boot sector and THIS is why the N900 has many problems brought on by developers OTHER than Nokia developers because they are actually changing almost every sector and even drivers in the OS of the N900.
THIS is potentially very very dangerous and FAR FAR more dangerous than the update that came from within China.
Many many people are having weird and wonderful problems induced simply by software THEY have installed from the downloads from this community, some of these programmes can and are potentially wiping out the the original functions of the OS of the N900.
This is in fact far more dangerous to the OS than the update from China ever was or will be and the very reason the update has given even more problems after flashing is simply because the OS has been obliterated in some or many cases from previous installs from this very community.
I am in fact looking at the overall developments being implemented to the N900 because everyone has been given the open right to develop for Meamo and i am certain 100% this was and is a huge mistake by Nokia to allow such implementations to be induced onto the OS of the N900.
I really dont think you have enough expertise to understand everything i am saying but i am sure any engineer will so please i ask you to try and relax and allow people to be free in their own opinions and do what they want to do, after all it no way effects you directly in any way or form.
Lots of text from you but no facts. You paint and paint and manage to say nothing. You have seen stuff and you know stuff and what else?
Are you trying to say that giving user full access to their own device is not good thing to do? Because they do not realize that itīs OS/computer as any os/x, windows, linux where you have full freedom to fck up your system in many ways. May it be by installing screensaver from internet or install random stuff from net? Or what the heck are you trying to say?
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2010-05-03
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#446
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wow..recaller start automatically when call connected on pr 1.2 L (!?!)...
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by slender
Ok you all dont understand how i came to this in the first place so i will explain, IF you can take a dump of the complete OS as it started from when you first got delivery then compare it especially the boot sector after apps have been installed you will probably get a shock.
I assume that you have read bugzilla commenting between bug reporters and Nokia employees? Thatīs pretty standard stuff.
Who wouldn't agree that? Weird talking.
WTF? seriously now dude. What's going on there? Yes we have custom kernels and rather interesting stuff in devel, but are you really referring that all/most/big/small part of software touches the boot sector? And why you think that is problem? IMHO right now it looks like right now biggest problem with Q&A in maemo.org is widgets and tools that use python and leave it in background. Spotting memory leaks on that looks like quite demanding at least what i have read from bugzilla commenting.
FUD pure utter FUD. Could you please link to these apps that you find so dangerous. I have read this forum quite much and only problem what i have seen is that people are intalling stuff little to carelessly from testing/devel and there might be too little testers because apps go quite slowly from testing to extras. Also widgets and their memory problems seem to be hard to catch.
Lots of text from you but no facts. You paint and paint and manage to say nothing. You have seen stuff and you know stuff and what else?
Are you trying to say that giving user full access to their own device is not good thing to do? Because they do not realize that itīs OS/computer as any os/x, windows, linux where you have full freedom to fck up your system in many ways. May it be by installing screensaver from internet or install random stuff from net? Or what the heck are you trying to say?
One of the problems i see on this forum is N900's self booting and not a battery cause now why do you think this is happening?.
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2010-05-03
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I'll break down your comment into pieces and perhaps you will be the one who "understands something".
Eh, what? Pardon? Say again? I don't know how you did your "research" but you failed at it. Or, perhaps, you just don't know what a "boot sector" is and used it instead of something else. No matter what, your claim is patently and blatantly false.
Installing an application is not to write to the boot sector, it is to place files in a special place on a certain partition. No fire there unless you actually replace existing programs or you install a program that's badly written but this is always true.
Again you are wrong. Installing a new kernel will replace the drivers, that is true, but it's not replacing the existing files that make up the OS. If you install a corrupt kernel, the device will not boot, but all you have to do it replace it with the old one.
Reflashing the device on firmware level is something else.
And even more enjoy being able to do new things with their device. If they installed something from Extras without understanding what might happen, they're in the same boat as the reflashers.
That's a bold claim. Care to back it up?
Or this is the strength of the N900/Maemo community: to be able to actually expand or modify the capabilities of such a hacker friendly device.
It's never a good thing to call people less educated and imply that what you're saying is too hard for them to understand when you, yourself, come across as ignorant and not very knowledgeable.
Originally Posted by abill_uk
Yes, there are many who develop applications for the N900. I did this too. This is a good thing since, apparently, having lots of downloadable applications sells the device to the fickle consumers.
You have no choice but to agree that many people have started to develop software for use on the N900 and implementing them on this very community (i am on about the apps etc etc)
ok look at this situation and i will try if you will allow it to actually sink in, explain something very important here, every developer who has written new software and set it up with the communities approval is in fact playing with fire because whilst implementing this software to the exsisting OS they are in fact re-writing some very important parts of the OS in particular the boot sector
Installing an application is not to write to the boot sector, it is to place files in a special place on a certain partition. No fire there unless you actually replace existing programs or you install a program that's badly written but this is always true.
and THIS is why the N900 has many problems brought on by developers OTHER than Nokia developers because they are actually changing almost every sector and even drivers in the OS of the N900.
THIS is potentially very very dangerous and FAR FAR more dangerous than the update that came from within China.
Reflashing the device on firmware level is something else.
Many many people are having weird and wonderful problems induced simply by software THEY have installed from the downloads from this community, some of these programmes can and are potentially wiping out the the original functions of the OS of the N900.
This is in fact far more dangerous to the OS than the update from China ever was or will be and the very reason the update has given even more problems after flashing is simply because the OS has been obliterated in some or many cases from previous installs from this very community.
I am in fact looking at the overall developments being implemented to the N900 because everyone has been given the open right to develop for Meamo and i am certain 100% this was and is a huge mistake by Nokia to allow such implementations to be induced onto the OS of the N900.
I really dont think you have enough expertise to understand everything i am saying but i am sure any engineer will so please i ask you to try and relax and allow people to be free in their own opinions and do what they want to do, after all it no way effects you directly in any way or form.
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2010-05-03
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#449
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Originally Posted by jakiman
OK ok but you failed to get my pun - I was referring to eitama - I'm sure he understood what I mean.
Analogy in general is never perfect. Mine isn't either. Let's just not do them.
Let's only say that my analogy is more about him in general ...
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by oskarmat
I understood your remark. It was geo-political and got by because you hid it in innuendo. A more explicit remark would have gotten you justified complaints.
OK ok but you failed to get my pun - I was referring to eitama - I'm sure he understood what I mean.
Let's only say that my analogy is more about him in general ...
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