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2014-11-19 , 21:34
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Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
I dunno what on earth you're talking about. I doubt OpenGL (proper) drivers exist for this chipset for any OS, and they certainly won't for Android. The device will almost certainly use Android display drivers ... so where are you getting this from? Also, of course they HAVE to have cross compatibility with the phone. It's the same OS, with different scaling options / UI. Also, do you seriously think any prospective developer is going to port their OpenGL ES based apps to Sailfish, if Jolla made the barmy decision to switch to OpenGL? Besides, what possible advantage would there be? ES is tailored specifically to the mobile space and to be less complex and more efficient.

How do 64bit or it being Intel have anything to do with this? Address space means nothing. If you think it somehow makes it more powerful, well the CPU side is going to be a lot weaker than any quad core A57 chip (which will predominate by the time it's released) and is similar to a Snapdragon 805 / a bit slower than chips popping up now based on A53 cores, and this is the case even though the Z3580 present in the N1 and (presumably Jolla) is the fastest SKU. As for the PowerVR GPU, it is comparable to the plethora of PowerVR designs in ARM SoCs now.

Also, to all the people who think it will have an Intel in-house GPU ... how? There are no in-house Intel GPU designs for Intel's tablet / phone chips. Nor will there be for the forseeable future.
switch to openGL??? GLES is a subset of GL last time I heard, should be oob
 
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2014-11-19 , 21:36
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Before I bought my first N900, I went through a tablet phase. The only one I had was a cheap 7" Android affair from China. It was quite a sorry affair and almost made me lose faith in portable technology altogether that eventually the N900 cured.

BUT... It was easily hackable and some kind soul made a Debian image for it. It ran fine and, to answer your question, detected the touch screen as a mouse, no problem there.

The main problem and the reason I stopped using it was the size. 7" is too big to be portable and too small to use as stationary. So no, thanks, no Jolla tablet for me. I already have a Jolla tablet. It's called JP-1301.
QtCreator will be much more pleasant on 8 inches (also will kick the argument: X on phone is unusable)
 

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2014-11-19 , 21:42
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#453
Originally Posted by szopin View Post
QtCreator will be much more pleasant on 8 inches
but less pleasant than on 19 inches, with a proper keyboard and mouse. Maybe I would find some use for the middle ground if I spent a lot of time on the train. But I don't.
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2014-11-19 , 21:51
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
but less pleasant than on 19 inches, with a proper keyboard and mouse. Maybe I would find some use for the middle ground if I spent a lot of time on the train. But I don't.
Me neither, with tohkbd2 I hope my bus journeys will resume their n900 glory of finding cool things to recompile, with whole debian library available this could be moot (not that I would complain, this would finally take over 1# of proper mobile linux), not sure if tablet is usable in crowded environment. Still not sure if will have a lot of use for it, but Stskeeps comments here seem to confirm they are/were on less hectic schedule this time unlike the novator scenario, so I hope they will get pro-hacker deal (and maybe even proper drivers, even if they will not use them in their released product)
 

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2014-11-19 , 22:00
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Originally Posted by abyzthomas View Post
Will it make it a Million Dollar today?
It won't make ONE MILLION DOLLARS *raises pinky to mouth* unless Jolla adds another perk or people somehow start contributing way more than $224 per person.

Last I checked there were only 410 yet to claim and 410 x $224 = $91840. That added with the total collected sum of $800 000+ won't even reach $900 000.
 

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2014-11-19 , 22:03
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Originally Posted by tmi View Post
It won't make ONE MILLION DOLLARS *raises pinky to mouth* unless Jolla adds another perk or people somehow start contributing way more than $224 per person.

Last I checked there were only 410 yet to claim and 410 x $224 = $91840. That added with the total collected sum of $800 000+ won't even reach $900 000.
haha, was worried about this too with the first two batches, they are keeping eye on it, and when the time comes another 2k(4k?) batch will be released (at least that happened last time when 199$ options were almost up)
 
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2014-11-19 , 22:05
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So, according to Stskeeps, KMS Intel driver and Mesa aren't mature enough to support real workload with Wayland (performance wise). What exactly is lacking there? Certain OpenGL extensions, or some specific features? Or it's simply not written with enough optimization?
 

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2014-11-19 , 22:16
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I hope they introduce a "Combo" perk:
Jolla Tablet + Phone

It might need some adjustments on countries' availability, but it would certainly extend the number of Jolla users, as people will buy anything if it's crowdfunded
 

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2014-11-19 , 22:24
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#459
Originally Posted by tmi View Post
It won't make ONE MILLION DOLLARS *raises pinky to mouth* unless Jolla adds another perk or people somehow start contributing way more than $224 per person.

Last I checked there were only 410 yet to claim and 410 x $224 = $91840. That added with the total collected sum of $800 000+ won't even reach $900 000.
If I'm reading this right, the Indiegogo "campaign" will last until December 9th. I don't see them facing any other limitation to sales. Presumably, they will continue to keep adding more batches of perks until they run out of time...
 

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2014-11-19 , 22:48
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
If I'm reading this right, the Indiegogo "campaign" will last until December 9th. I don't see them facing any other limitation to sales. Presumably, they will continue to keep adding more batches of perks until they run out of time...
Well, they would want to make sure they can deliver all of them by May 2015 or adjust the expected delivery date as needed for new batches.
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