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#461
Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Skype is a VOIP (though not SIP, SIP is a standard open protocol).

Why the need, because TOR has no built-in functionality for it. It's simply a way to initiate calls without going through the GV interface. Even DialCentral is just a specialized GV interface.

GV on other platforms is similar (Android for example). You still need a SIP account if you want to get free calls. Otherwise it uses Verizon minutes.
That seems like a silly design of google's part then, since the web page version provides VOIP support. What was all the bruhaha about google voice bypassing the carrier (on iphone)? I figured it was acting as one of those hated (by the phone carriers) VOIP clients.

Well, IP texting is nice at least, and I could see pairing this with another SIP or VOIP provider, just to keep everything centralized to one number.
 
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Originally Posted by Fox5 View Post
That seems like a silly design of google's part then, since the web page version provides VOIP support. What was all the bruhaha about google voice bypassing the carrier (on iphone)? I figured it was acting as one of those hated (by the phone carriers) VOIP clients.

Well, IP texting is nice at least, and I could see pairing this with another SIP or VOIP provider, just to keep everything centralized to one number.
DIalcentral and TOR provide the exact same VOIP support as the website. Now that we got that out, I'm curious why you think otherwise., That I think is the central problem.
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Originally Posted by epage View Post
DIalcentral and TOR provide the exact same VOIP support as the website. Now that we got that out, I'm curious why you think otherwise., That I think is the central problem.
I think Fox5 thinks that the VOIP support from the website means receiving or taking calls from the website.

The only thing that the GV website (and the GV clients) do is allow you to direct your calls to your landline, mobile, work phone, SIP client, Skype, etc..
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
I think Fox5 thinks that the VOIP support from the website means receiving or taking calls from the website.

The only thing that the GV website (and the GV clients) do is allow you to direct your calls to your landline, mobile, work phone, SIP client, Skype, etc..
Also he might be thinking about free connections to Gizmo5 which is independent of whether you are using the website, Dialcentral, or TOR
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Originally Posted by epage View Post
DIalcentral and TOR provide the exact same VOIP support as the website. Now that we got that out, I'm curious why you think otherwise., That I think is the central problem.
Ha, I was wrong, I had never actually placed a phone call with Google Voice (only texts) so I wasn't sure how it functioned, I just assumed.

So would the ideal setup look like:
Google Voice forwards to SIP/VOIP service rings on N900 if internet available, forwards to N900 phone number otherwise?

What number do outgoing phone calls from google voice show up as? The GV number? What if no data connection is available? I believe GV provides a way to dial into it, can TOR do that?

Most likely if I went down this path, I'd get a sidekick plan, and just pay the $1 per day for data if I needed to make a call while away from wifi.
 
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Originally Posted by Fox5 View Post
Ha, I was wrong, I had never actually placed a phone call with Google Voice (only texts) so I wasn't sure how it functioned, I just assumed.

So would the ideal setup look like:
Google Voice forwards to SIP/VOIP service rings on N900 if internet available, forwards to N900 phone number otherwise?

What number do outgoing phone calls from google voice show up as? The GV number? What if no data connection is available? I believe GV provides a way to dial into it, can TOR do that?

Most likely if I went down this path, I'd get a sidekick plan, and just pay the $1 per day for data if I needed to make a call while away from wifi.
When you dial through GV, your GV number appears on caller id. If you call your GV number from a callback phone, the menus let you dial out with your caller id number.

What I do is have T Mobile's Total Internet plan. For $40/month I get unlimited data (technically they might throttle at 10 GB a month). I do all my calls through SIP or Skype. The few times I'm not in Wifi or 3G coverage I have a prepaid phone I use.
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Originally Posted by epage View Post
When you dial through GV, your GV number appears on caller id. If you call your GV number from a callback phone, the menus let you dial out with your caller id number.

What I do is have T Mobile's Total Internet plan. For $40/month I get unlimited data (technically they might throttle at 10 GB a month). I do all my calls through SIP or Skype. The few times I'm not in Wifi or 3G coverage I have a prepaid phone I use.
Tmobile's 3g coverage isn't the best, and for $50 you can get unlimited data + 500 minutes.

Carrying around a second dumb phone would be useful (especially with the n900's battery life), but I only have so many pockets!

Are there any major SIP providers? It doesn't seem like there's any on the same level as Skype. Is it something you could set up on your local PC and run your own SIP server?

And the advantage of using this with a VOIP/SIP provider instead of just using say Skype directly is just free text messaging right?

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Fox5, check out nerdvittles.com, they deal primarily in VoIP systems like Asterisk but they have been using Google Voice as a component for free calls recently as well. IPKall and SIPGate linked from their site both seem to provide free incoming SIP calls, which when paired with GV = free calls. Gizmo5 as mentioned also provides this functionality as well, but since being bought by Google has closed registrations for the moment.
 
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Originally Posted by dragon_788 View Post
epage, have to say you've been doing awesome work, now that I finally have cellular data service I might not use it quite as much for the SMS side, but I will definitely use it for the Google Voice calling. Is there a setting to have it never check for SMS messages since I'll handle those with SMS messages from GV directly to the phone now instead of through the app?
In the advanced settings you can check how frequently it checks for new SMS. Set the timeout to "-1" and it should never check for new SMSs

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And as far as reliability, I think TheOneRing is tops, though one kind of strange thing did happen, I use ActMan (the Desktop Activity Manager) which lets you set "activities" like Home/Car/Work and store different widgets/shortcuts/contacts/bookmarks on the desktop. When I switched between two profiles, the one I hadn't used for a couple days, then TheOneRing went out and (re)fetched all the old SMS messages I had received in those couple days. Is this simply Conversations doing that work because it doesn't cache the messages on disk to share between profiles or does TOR not have its own store of messages/timestamps it has retrieved?
TOR keeps a local copy of all messages.

By "fetch" I assume you mean displayed old ones to you? There have been bugs and potentially still are some with TOR either 1) re-displaying really old messages to the user or 2) re-displaying all messages to the user.

The first is an issue with the caching which should be fixed. The second was due to a bug which prevented storage of the caches and I hope its fixed.

If you experience either on the latest version of TOR, please send me a copy of your log file (~/.telepathy-theonering/theonering.log)
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I've been hunting in my log file to see what all errors arose. One or two relate to some high priority outstanding bugs. I'm releasing 0.8.11 to work on improving tracking those issues.
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