Originally Posted by iJanne

I honestly think, without any malice intended, that you should.

Clearly the N900 is not for you.

If Nokia did lowsy on communicating what the N900 is, then that is certainly their problem. I don't think, though, that this is whole truth - much of that misperception has occurred in the public. Also because the N900 is so attractive, a lot of people want it and want to like it - and are disappointed because their expectations were not in line with what the product was and was about.

But that indisputable fact is, the N900 was not intended to be what you are asking of it. It simply was not. If this was missed in the public or in the marketing, then that is a flaw, but N900 is not for you.

Check out the stuff Nokia chose to highlight on their product-page:

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

N900 is a bad product for your needs. Nothing wrong in saying that out loud. I knew this buying in, because I read the materials Nokia has put out, I read the roadmap. It is in their internet tablet lineage, not phone, and it has a special place in the Maemo plan.

If this was miscommunicated somewhere, or if Nokia made a unwise move in introducing a device that is bound to cause confusion, those are points to be argued. But you are asking, and disappointed when not, the product to be something it wasn't designed to be.

BTW: This is not to say N900 might have flaws that need fixing and are true flaws (like bugs etc.), but feature-wise it was never intended to be a consumer-ready, full-fledged smartphone.



It would be, but the N900 is not a consumer-space end-user phone. You are asking for things it was not meant to be. Did someone miscommunicate it? Perhaps? That would be a flaw. Is N900 what it is because Nokia is late? Certainly. That is why N900 is the second-to-last step in taking Maemo truly consumer.

But that still stands: it is only the second-to-last step. Not the last step. I don't know why you argue this.

Originally Posted by MontyBravo

Hi,

Thankyou for a sensible reply! ,

Have a look at the demo videos for the maemo UI team on youtube. They are demostrating phone features as much as they are internet tablet features. And nokia have this for sale on their various websites under "phones".

This has been launched as a end user phone capable device.

Originally Posted by gerbick

You're obviously upset about being called a fanboy.

Look at how you're acting... overly emphatic about something that you're only a customer about and defending a stance based on only one (read: your) account.

If you can't take words like piranhas, fanboy, et al and have to resort to sheer anger, perhaps you need to remove your feelings and communicate civilly.

I expect nothing from you... but I sure as heck will ask the questions about people having issues because they're going to give me the insight if my purchase will be worth it or not. The happy customers are equally important, but if problems remain unresolved, I'm not buying.

Seems like this community is interested in helping folks... mostly.

But you're a part of an open source community which means that if you know how to code, you can fix things.

Makes you a passionate customer.

And you now possess my e-mail. Feel free to send me a note when you post your review. I'd be interested to read it.

I'm not saying you've ignored those people, it just seems like talking about those things instead of talking about the positive points is going on way too much around here.

I've been rather vocal about the shortcomings of the iPhone. I simply cannot go to another phone with a new set of similar problems I've had to endure - No MMS, a few UI inconsistencies, random reboots

If it upset you, perhaps you need to view why.

I was defending the spread of some information

the true issues and others with similar issues would come forth perhaps.

You wanted my information so you could send me very colorfol metaphors (paraphrase) when all I've stated were: fanboys, piranhas. Two words led to anger, a seemingly threatening tone

If anything, typing in all caps online is considered "shouting".

Asking a person for their personal data so you can share your wealth of "colorful verbiage" (another paraphrase) is a threat.

And I've maintained a very calm demeanor and yet the fuss is all about two words and not what I'm talking about instead...

that's misdirection due to perceived anger from you.

I'd rather discuss what the findings are. I have no need to discuss personal feelings or feel threatened.

That's not what this community is about...

I'm done.

Originally Posted by MontyBravo

If and end user is not happy with a device, this is resnoble. Look im not interested in arguing with "fans" of the device who will love it no matter what.

I am talking about standard no programming end users which will pick up the device and have expectations based on the marketing and other nokia devices they have used.

They may well be processing firmware updates which would have explained the month + delay after the inital test review units.

Its just the basic stuff that nokia phones have had for years which the n900 does not have. Google maps, an office application which allows you to edit , decent email support which works correctly.

Being able to backup all content on the device easily and restore without crashes e.t.c.

I know this will just start another arguments with a bunch of fanboys but its a fair comment as an end user.

Originally Posted by Arpa

Sure I understand that, but do you think you could point me some recent reviews where end users express their dissatisfaction with the device. As I haven't bought it yet myself I'm interested about different opinions of it. What I'm not interested that much is hearsay and vague remarks on "end user unhappiness"


I hate to insist but can you give me an example what actually is missing and wrong with the phone. I assume you already have the phone and you have used it and found it not suitable for you, and that your opinions are not based only on some youtube videos.


I'm sure about that, but you have to understand that the units that are now appearing to the end users have been manufactured already few weeks ago even a month. The fw on the phones is from week 42 as far as I know - some may be a later version we'l know when people get the phones. There's always something to fix, but there's also a point when you have to say "it's enough ship it".

Should Nokia have waited for Google to release Maemo version of Maps? Very few Nokia phones have office program installed, for reading yes, but not editing.

Other problems you mention I don't know, and when you refuse to give specific examples I can't even sympathize on your problems.

I had the impression that making backups is as easy as copying data from the device?

Sure it is, but not very convincing. Referring to "problems", inability to do something, "not working properly" are too vague to get proper understanding what needs to be fixed to make the device better for you for example. Have you experienced all this yourself, or have you just gotten the information from somewhere else, an if yes from where (so I could read those complaints myself)

Originally Posted by iJanne

Thusly, I would point my energies at communicating to Nokia and to the community:

1. Why and where the N900 sucks as the mobile computer that it is supposed to be. We need to improve where things are lacking, so that this can be the ultimate mobile computer (with a phone) at the moment.

2. How the N900s successors should be improved to make them truly consumer-ready smartphones for the consumer space. Also, as byproduct, ask that such software features be rolled back into the N900 as an added bonus - and a way to advance all things Maemo.

That would seem like a reasonable, constructive way to approach this, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by NotTheMessiah

Think that the n900 should scroll smoothly no matter what?
Then have a look at this post and tell me that your computer can scroll that page prefectly smoothly.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...703#post396703

Heavy images and such will slow it all down.
I'm not using a slow machine either, core2 duo T8100 2.3GHz w/3MB cache, 3gig ram, radeon HD3470 (ok not a blisteringly fast grfx card but if it can run bio shock then can handle the net fine!) running win7 pro.

huh?
is that supposed to not scroll smoothly?
the image scrolls perfectly smooth on my system (samsung laptop with 2,4 ghz dualcore, 4gb ram and gf 9600m)