How much patience do you have?

Side comment: Hi Urho!

Why does that amaze you? Are your two bullets mutually exclusive? (And I don't think the touch should be labeled as a communicator)

I consider my n810 to be a highly-portable and configurable sexy media playing computer.

If you exclude the phone features of the iPhone, the biggest selling point for all of the above is mobile web browsing. Comparing the details helps you make a decision between one or the other- not lump the products into separate categories.

Mutually exclusive? Of course not, and I have never claimed any such extreme. Consider a Venn diagram here. The products certainly overlap, as I have acknowledged today and numerous other times. BUT-- the differences are more profound than I think you want to accept. As much as some want to downplay the gsm/no-gsm difference, it is nonetheless a huge differentiator. For many, so are the screen size differences. Bluetooth. OS. UI. I could go on and on. If nothing else, the gsm/no-gsm distinction throws each product into very different channels... that's inescapable. And for the most part, as I've asserted many times and will continue to, people will fall one way or the other with these 2 product types based on differences, NOT common features! I fail to understand why that concept gets lost in these discussions. And the underlying factor there is what an individual expects to do, how they expect to do it, how much handholding they need/want, how much freedom they prefer, etc.

As much commonality exists here, and as many people may like both product equally and equivocate over which to purchase, at the end of the day we see 2 very distinct camps established with *some* fence-straddlers. But don't confuse the exceptions with the rule, or downplay the importance of difference in product selection. That tends to be a mistake-- especially for marketeers.

EDIT: if you think I labelled the iTouch as a communicator, then maybe it isn't clear enough that I combined and generalized for simplicity's sake...

um I would say, I would like it this year.... I have no plans on getting the iphone if my n800 could do this, then it would be what I have always wanted.... I would give its own bed, with a nice pillow and its own tv... ok im joking on the last part.


No but after seeing the no bounds project and your hint as sync client might be coming, im hoooooooked!

I don't think that you can exclude the phone features of a phone.

Well, actually, before the release of the iPod touch, some people did; jailbreaking before the SIM unlock and living outside ATT's area did that to you, or simply electing not to get an ATT contract. I recall the term iPDA being used.

Agreed with your point, but couldn't let it by.

Apparently my hint was just vague enough.

I realize that it is outside of the intent of the original poster, but the iPod Touch does exactly that.

it would have been interesting if nokia released the n800 with a phone, about the same time the iphone was released. then would the nit's would have been similarly as the iphone.

Or if Apple released the touch only..... then would it have gained as much popularity of the iphone/the internet tablets??