Active Topics
-
Maemo repository (8)
to Community by Maemish - 5 hrs, 24 mins ago -
Porting apps to Leste (44)
to Maemo 7 / Leste by norayr - 9 hrs, 57 mins ago -
List of well performing apps on Leste (35)
to Maemo 7 / Leste by smatkovi - 3 days, 7 hrs ago -
Sailfish OS for the Motorola Moto G7 Power (XT1955-5) - (ocean) (13)
to SailfishOS by edp17 - 4 days, 5 hrs ago -
Sailfish OS for the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (SM-N910C) - (treltexx) (79)
to SailfishOS by edp17 - 4 days, 5 hrs ago -
U-Boot for Nokia RX-51 with BootMenu (updated version 2012.10-rc3-1) (843)
to Alternatives by Arno_11 - 4 days, 10 hrs ago - more...
|
2009-09-04
, 14:19
|
|
Posts: 428 |
Thanked: 54 times |
Joined on Mar 2006
@ Washington DC
|
#42
|
If Nokia is going the same path as the E71, they will release the N900 unlocked first, and maybe 6 months down the road announce a subsidized one with T-mobile. (The E71 was widely available in the fall of 2008 and didn't come to AT&T until spring of 2009) In the process of that 6 months, I'm sure they're going to use that time to beta-test on those here, who are rushing out to buy the unlocked version, to shake out the bugs before they hand over a less buggy version on the T-mobile branded version of the N900.
I bought one of the unlocked E71 that was truly buggy since it basically melted itself 4 months after owning it.
Last edited by phi; 2009-09-04 at 14:23.
I bought one of the unlocked E71 that was truly buggy since it basically melted itself 4 months after owning it.
Last edited by phi; 2009-09-04 at 14:23.
|
|
2009-09-04
, 16:01
|
|
Posts: 968 |
Thanked: 974 times |
Joined on Nov 2008
@ Ohio
|
#43
|
I was doing some research on payg plans (if I were to get an N900 it would be unlocked and I would like to go with payg).
I ran across a link to this thread on the T-Mobile forums:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/boar...cending&page=1
Wonder if it may be related to the N900 eventually coming to T-Mobile?
I ran across a link to this thread on the T-Mobile forums:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/boar...cending&page=1
Wonder if it may be related to the N900 eventually coming to T-Mobile?
__________________
*Consumer*, not a developer! I apologize for any inconvenience.
My script to backup /home and /opt
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant, Huawei S7, N900(retired), N800(retired)
*Consumer*, not a developer! I apologize for any inconvenience.
My script to backup /home and /opt
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant, Huawei S7, N900(retired), N800(retired)
 |
|
2009-09-04
, 20:00
|
|
Posts: 3,397 |
Thanked: 1,212 times |
Joined on Jul 2008
@ Netherlands
|
#44
|
Originally Posted by phi
They won't
If Nokia is going the same path as the E71
they will release the N900 unlocked first, and maybe 6 months down the road announce a subsidized one with T-mobile. (The E71 was widely available in the fall of 2008 and didn't come to AT&T until spring of 2009) In the process of that 6 months, I'm sure they're going to use that time to beta-test on those here, who are rushing out to buy the unlocked version, to shake out the bugs before they hand over a less buggy version on the T-mobile branded version of the N900.
I bought one of the unlocked E71 that was truly buggy since it basically melted itself 4 months after owning it.
My unlocked E71 is almost a year old, is not buggy, and hasn't melted itself either.
Judging from the picture you post seems the camera gone poof.
__________________
Goosfraba! All text written by allnameswereout is public domain unless stated otherwise. Thank you for sharing your output!
Goosfraba! All text written by allnameswereout is public domain unless stated otherwise. Thank you for sharing your output!
 |
|
2009-09-04
, 20:24
|
|
Posts: 4,672 |
Thanked: 5,455 times |
Joined on Jul 2008
@ Springfield, MA, USA
|
#45
|
Originally Posted by Texrat
And why wouldn't they do something that is in their own best interest. This IS in their best interest when they're all pretty much doing the same things and leaving you with very little choice, right?
Sometimes "crippling" is passive aggressive. Service providers with the their own networks have been known to throttle bandwidth of competing services for example.
Ah, (the bastardized version of) net neutrality...
|
|
2009-09-04
, 21:05
|
|
Posts: 267 |
Thanked: 128 times |
Joined on Sep 2009
@ Somerville MA - USA
|
#46
|
I think it is brilliant how many people are stating that Nokia should not cripple their devices, and Ill agree to an extent. If you buy your device from Nokia it should not be crippled. BUT if I buy it from T-Mobile, at a subsidized cost, then they have every right to cripple it.
Now, consumers get to be consumers and make their own choices, is a 300$ subsidy enough so that I will not access skype or perform mobile tethering ?
Let the customer choose!!!!!
Now Skype on the network, t-mobile or ATT or verizon etc can very easily block access to the service in general. if it is their prerogative let them do it, those that want access to those services will leave. (and not have to pay cancellation fees in the US because it is a material change in their terms of service.)
The whole point of what I am saying is that Nokia can have their cake and eat it too. Currently Nokia has a minimal stake in one of the largest, wealthiest consumer markets in the world, the US. If they are to be successfully they need to have at minimum a 20% market share in the us and a >33% globally.
They can do this by appealing to consumers and trusting that they will make the choices that best suit them. This will work as long as network carriers continue to allow "unlocked" phones onto their networks. When that changes... well no comment.
Let the customer choose.
Now, consumers get to be consumers and make their own choices, is a 300$ subsidy enough so that I will not access skype or perform mobile tethering ?
Let the customer choose!!!!!
Now Skype on the network, t-mobile or ATT or verizon etc can very easily block access to the service in general. if it is their prerogative let them do it, those that want access to those services will leave. (and not have to pay cancellation fees in the US because it is a material change in their terms of service.)
The whole point of what I am saying is that Nokia can have their cake and eat it too. Currently Nokia has a minimal stake in one of the largest, wealthiest consumer markets in the world, the US. If they are to be successfully they need to have at minimum a 20% market share in the us and a >33% globally.
They can do this by appealing to consumers and trusting that they will make the choices that best suit them. This will work as long as network carriers continue to allow "unlocked" phones onto their networks. When that changes... well no comment.
Let the customer choose.
 |
|
2009-09-04
, 21:17
|
|
Posts: 415 |
Thanked: 193 times |
Joined on Jun 2009
@ A place with no mountains
|
#47
|
Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Thanks for posting that. If I could use an N900 that I purchase directly from Nokia on a T-Mobile prepaid (pay as you go) plan, that would be ideal for me! That would be absolutely the best.
I was doing some research on payg plans (if I were to get an N900 it would be unlocked and I would like to go with payg).
I ran across a link to this thread on the T-Mobile forums:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/boar...cending&page=1
Wonder if it may be related to the N900 eventually coming to T-Mobile?
I am going to post a comment at the forum you linked.
|
|
2009-09-04
, 21:27
|
|
Posts: 4,672 |
Thanked: 5,455 times |
Joined on Jul 2008
@ Springfield, MA, USA
|
#48
|
Originally Posted by matthewcc
...in a market where they can't, right?
Let the customer choose.
|
|
2009-09-04
, 21:50
|
|
Posts: 739 |
Thanked: 114 times |
Joined on Sep 2009
|
#49
|
Originally Posted by matthewcc
I heard Comcast is going wireless. If that's the case, doesn't this mean an end to all mobile carriers?? I mean Comcast going wireless mean nobody need voice data service anymore?? They can just use internet call like Skype??FOR FREE?? Comcast is trying to expand the wireless service but it will take years.
I think it is brilliant how many people are stating that Nokia should not cripple their devices, and Ill agree to an extent. If you buy your device from Nokia it should not be crippled. BUT if I buy it from T-Mobile, at a subsidized cost, then they have every right to cripple it.
Now, consumers get to be consumers and make their own choices, is a 300$ subsidy enough so that I will not access skype or perform mobile tethering ?
Let the customer choose!!!!!
Now Skype on the network, t-mobile or ATT or verizon etc can very easily block access to the service in general. if it is their prerogative let them do it, those that want access to those services will leave. (and not have to pay cancellation fees in the US because it is a material change in their terms of service.)
The whole point of what I am saying is that Nokia can have their cake and eat it too. Currently Nokia has a minimal stake in one of the largest, wealthiest consumer markets in the world, the US. If they are to be successfully they need to have at minimum a 20% market share in the us and a >33% globally.
They can do this by appealing to consumers and trusting that they will make the choices that best suit them. This will work as long as network carriers continue to allow "unlocked" phones onto their networks. When that changes... well no comment.
Let the customer choose.
|
|
2009-09-04
, 22:15
|
|
Posts: 267 |
Thanked: 128 times |
Joined on Sep 2009
@ Somerville MA - USA
|
#50
|
Originally Posted by danramos
Maybe I misunderstand your statement.
...in a market where they can't, right?
The assumption to the scenario is the a carrier re-sell a branded version phone X. They "cripple" said phone and add a 350$ subsidy. At the same time the phone manufacture sells phone X direct to consumers unsubsidized and "un-crippled"
The consumer now has a choice:
- Buy the phone from the carrier
- Buy the phone from the manufacturer.
There is a trade off $$ vs. functionality.
In the market scenario the consumer gets to choose what to buy. That is what a market is.
Now the iPhone, thats a bit different, that is a monopoly approach - thats a monopoly. if you want the hardware you deal with the consequence. Apple even one up'd that model by making the iphone a content delivery platform where you can only buy content from one location.
Let me say this a different way BMW is offering to sell you a car, so is Exxon-Mobile. In fact both BMW and Ex-M are offering to sell you the same car with a few differences.
The Ex-M car can only run on Ex-m fuel, and has a limiter on it that will not let you go over 85mph, its also 1/3rd the price of the BMW.
Now you can pick the Car that is 1/3rd the cost, but you cannot take advantage of the vehicle to its fullest extent, and you need to run on Ex-M, or you can pick the car that is relativity 3 times the cost, you can run on any fuel, and can go 100mph
You get to pick. Now as we are all on this site, we are the purists who want to drive balls to the wall pushing are cars to see how fast we can go and how quick we can corner. We will pick the unlocked one.
BUT the rest of the world... they don't care as much..
85 is fast enough, they are ok with Ex-M gas and if they never get to corner at 100mph... they can live with that.
Nokia needs to accommodate both user types and can...
Now if they could just figure out a universal radio on these puppies...
Question is not will, but when.
Nokia could have easily gone for the 900/1900/2100 to better suit the Euro/Asia market but made an effort to put int 1700 know to be used by T-Mobile USA.
T-Mobile is not just in the US; it's in many countries in Europe and is much more popular there. In fact it is owned by Deutsche Telekom in Germany for those that are unaware.
Deutsche Telekom (T-Mobile) CEO spoke in the Nokia World right after the 2 big wigs in Nokia. This is proven fact that T-Mobile will be working closely with Nokia to bring out the N900.
T-Mobile have over 100 million world subscribers which is much larger than AT&T can offer.
They're not stupid, the world is not just the US.