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2010-04-08
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I think there is no incentive to work on it.
Debranding is a serious incentive for phones like 5800 but it is not a case for N900. Why I could work on it - it doesn't benefit neither me nor another normal N900 owners?
Of course, Asia men may work their own way. But in most countries with educated people it is possible to buy a phone w/out suppling your name/address.
Debranding is a serious incentive for phones like 5800 but it is not a case for N900. Why I could work on it - it doesn't benefit neither me nor another normal N900 owners?
Of course, Asia men may work their own way. But in most countries with educated people it is possible to buy a phone w/out suppling your name/address.
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2010-04-08
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afaq made some good points there..
Concerning that market, would you really want that authorities worldwide could just with one click shut down your mobile?
I wouldn't (FYI: I already had a phone stolen, not nice; still..)
But that is not the actual point IMO.
And this discussinon is especially in the interest those who legally obtained their phone: It's a very short way from the phone vendor to your doorstep.
I don't get why on this topic, even the members of an open source based community are against giving the user the right to control his identity. No one would go on and say 'TOR is abused a lot by criminals. Let's make it illegal and ensure that everyone connecting to the internet is 100% identifiable. Oh and we should add the functionality to brick their computer if we see them try to use it' (btw, IPv6 gives me the creeps..).
Furthermore, I do think this is a topic that should rather be discussed here than advising ppl to leave the forum and search on hacking sites. Please don't get me wrong on that, I do not at all want to promote any illegal actions, but a technical discussion should still be possible. Or will maemo.org then get blocked by the big UK firewall?
Originally Posted by TA-t3
yeah, I'd like to see you happily throwing away your new £450 phone as you realise that it's stolen. Or maybe ask the police to pay you back
masterx: If you buy an imei-blocked phone, then it's stolen (as you're basically saying yourself). Why on earth would you then think it's ok to _use_ the phone, by spoofing the imei? It's exactly things like that which creates a market for those gangs from certain parts of Europe which are currently doing the burglar rounds in my own and other countries. Without a market this extremely annoying thieveries wouldn't be an issue.
Concerning that market, would you really want that authorities worldwide could just with one click shut down your mobile?
I wouldn't (FYI: I already had a phone stolen, not nice; still..)
But that is not the actual point IMO.
Originally Posted by hardkorek
precisely.
Well i think there is more reasons to change IMEI than using stolen phone.
I think this is only one way to be anonymous and use gsm phone.
Originally Posted by egoshin
Unfortunately having trust in the police to always do only the Right Thing with the power/information they have hasn't quite proofed a good idea. This is not about 'having something to hide' or sth illegal going on, it is about privacy rights and prevention.
It has nothing with anonymity - the phone IMEI is known for mobile providers and SIM card issuer only. In most countries they don't give it anybody besides police.
Mots likely - cheating one or both of it (phone providers or police).
And this discussinon is especially in the interest those who legally obtained their phone: It's a very short way from the phone vendor to your doorstep.
I don't get why on this topic, even the members of an open source based community are against giving the user the right to control his identity. No one would go on and say 'TOR is abused a lot by criminals. Let's make it illegal and ensure that everyone connecting to the internet is 100% identifiable. Oh and we should add the functionality to brick their computer if we see them try to use it' (btw, IPv6 gives me the creeps..).
Furthermore, I do think this is a topic that should rather be discussed here than advising ppl to leave the forum and search on hacking sites. Please don't get me wrong on that, I do not at all want to promote any illegal actions, but a technical discussion should still be possible. Or will maemo.org then get blocked by the big UK firewall?
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2010-04-08
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Originally Posted by nze
If you don't believe a police - why I should believe you? I have much more reason to believe a police.
Unfortunately having trust in the police to always do only the Right Thing with the power/information they have hasn't quite proofed a good idea. This is not about 'having something to hide' or sth illegal going on, it is about privacy rights and prevention.
As long as there is no way to change IMEI in my N900 I am sure there is no market for stolen N900 and it is much less probability that somebody can steal my N900.
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2010-04-08
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this really isn't about believing in the police or in me (I don't quite have their tools.. although anyone with enough money can easily get any information they want, with politicians that are like a cab for hire)
sure, cause thieves are going to check what phone you have before they steal it from you. out of your pocket in the subway, running away with your handbag.... oh and if they happen to get a n900 you'll probably get it back as it's no use for them
sure, cause thieves are going to check what phone you have before they steal it from you. out of your pocket in the subway, running away with your handbag.... oh and if they happen to get a n900 you'll probably get it back as it's no use for them
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2010-04-08
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Originally Posted by afaq
so it is ok to break the law if you are wearing a tinfoil hat?
As for the UK, do i think my IMEI number is only being used legally? hell no. I'm pretty sure the police here track anyone they want when they want. Anyway I digress, so IMEI number changing is illegal - and im sure the individual asking here has no good intentions but I would keep an open mind to what the IMEI number means for authorities.
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2010-04-08
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Originally Posted by egoshin
Man seriously, in this topic you've only said that the police is honest, the government is honest, you have all the rights, they will never infringe those rights and everybody is equal.
If you don't believe a police - why I should believe you? I have much more reason to believe a police.
As long as there is no way to change IMEI in my N900 I am sure there is no market for stolen N900 and it is much less probability that somebody can steal my N900.
you're american, you should know better. you, from all the civilized countries have the least rights.
I was actually laughing with a friend in december when in Frankfurt they had extra security checks for americans.
Anyhow, you are part of the country (free) which is the most controlled on the planet.
The police can track you down only using your IMEI, if they want to, even if you change the sim card they will know who to track, because they can chose from IMEI and phone number. Do they abuse it? hell yea, I know thousand of chases. I even abused the system asking a friend to track down someone, and my friend is at the low end of the chain of command. I won't go into details since it would be stupid of me to do that, as it's illegal, as there is no prof.
I know cases in the news paper when the police tracked down criminals from their IMEI as they used to swipe simcards very often.
I even found to buy a tracker, and device listener (exactly as said before to listen to the conversations), but it was too expensive for me (10000euros). It's not illegal to sell it, but it's illegal to own it.
Stop trusting everything they say about privacy, law, only court order. Everybody has his price, and if you find someone who's too expensive, go to his colleague, he will be cheaper.
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2010-04-08
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Originally Posted by emeni
changing imei is illegal and totally wrong for the reason of its existange. perioid.
Man seriously, in this topic you've only said that the police is honest, the government is honest, you have all the rights, they will never infringe those rights and everybody is equal.
you're american, you should know better. you, from all the civilized countries have the least rights.
I was actually laughing with a friend in december when in Frankfurt they had extra security checks for americans.
Anyhow, you are part of the country (free) which is the most controlled on the planet.
The police can track you down only using your IMEI, if they want to, even if you change the sim card they will know who to track, because they can chose from IMEI and phone number. Do they abuse it? hell yea, I know thousand of chases. I even abused the system asking a friend to track down someone, and my friend is at the low end of the chain of command. I won't go into details since it would be stupid of me to do that, as it's illegal, as there is no prof.
I know cases in the news paper when the police tracked down criminals from their IMEI as they used to swipe simcards very often.
I even found to buy a tracker, and device listener (exactly as said before to listen to the conversations), but it was too expensive for me (10000euros). It's not illegal to sell it, but it's illegal to own it.
Stop trusting everything they say about privacy, law, only court order. Everybody has his price, and if you find someone who's too expensive, go to his colleague, he will be cheaper.
did you know that there is a lot of information about everyone outside gsm-data too? health records, addresses, tax information....
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2010-04-08
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Great argument: it's wrong according You, so it must be wrong
changing imei is illegal and totally wrong for the reason of its existange. perioid.
did you know that there is a lot of information about everyone outside gsm-data too? health records, addresses, tax information....
You health records, adressess etc. can not hear what you talking about or find your geographical location.
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2010-04-08
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Originally Posted by ossipena
yes, but there's a big difference between that and tracking me.
did you know that there is a lot of information about everyone outside gsm-data too? health records, addresses, tax information....
what makes you think that this won't be abused.
Changing IMEI is illegal only in some countries of the EU, not all.
L.E. : we're going off-topic, and I think we should stop, I just wanted to state this, not to go in to a debate, it's everybody right and opinion, I personally, have nothing to hide so they can track me down as much as they want, but at a certain point they might cross the line, since they've already started.
There was a software I used (BB5) to debrand my brother's 5800. by altering the product code.. There was an option to change IMEI also, but I didnt want to risk it.
is there any software like this for the n900?