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2010-02-27 , 23:21
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#41
why all these hopes and speculations ?

as many said, if you are not happy with the n900 NOW, sell and return it and tell your friends not to buy nokia

instead, buy andriod, apple, bb or whatever, nokia will only listen to sales figures
 
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2010-02-27 , 23:58
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#42
Originally Posted by joa View Post
ABI vs source compatibility was a business decision for a closed source market.
Exactly. Not having it only works for non closed source markets. So I expect none of this promised commercial app multiplatformness to materialize (unless its forced or required by Nokia, which I doubt).

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I don't really find one to be a lower difficulty than the other, though.
ABI compatibility is a superset of ("requires") API compatibility, so there you have. API compatibility alone is already hard, though (repeating myself).
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2010-02-28 , 00:57
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Right now, I don't care about OS. Maemo 5 is fine by me. By the time Meego is proven to be excellent as a Phone OS some time next year, I'll probably think about upgrading from my N900 anyways to a much more powerful hardware device. If not, N900 is already good enough isn't it? Isn't that why you bought it?

I just want more apps. Better apps and some improvements such as:
- Turn by Turn navigation.
- Better music player. (eq, folder navigation, file name support etc)
- More commercial games. (if not, I'm happy with DrNokSnes already)
- Flash 10.1 for faster higher quality flash playback.
- Vertical orientation support for most part of the OS. (phone, sms, HAM, launcher, task switcher etc)

N900 is apparently going to be launched here in Australia in April. It is said to be publicly announced NokiaDevCon which is in a few days. I highly doubt they are going to just release a phone which they already have plans to drop supprt within the next few months. =P

PR 1.2 is around the corner. I hope it is good enough to bring a lot of good morale back into this community.
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2010-02-28 , 01:53
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Originally Posted by joa View Post
As for nothing running except Qt on the N900, that's simply untrue.
That sentence probably needed to be expanded. It was that nothing announced that will be implemented in future iterations has been announced for the N900 - Harmattan nor MeeGo for instance.

There's nothing that's confirmed to run on the N900 that's forward going other than Qt 4.7.

Nothing else has been confirmed. And I'm not exactly the type that lives off of unconfirmed hype or hope.
 
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2010-02-28 , 01:57
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Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
Just so we are on the same page... Sorry to burst bubbles, but Maemo 6 is not MeeGo, and MeeGo is not a uniform platform so having 'it' will not guarantee you anything. In those terms, official support for either is not as relevant as it may seem at first sight.
Neither is community support. It has yielded nothing as far as the OS goes. Only the applications that go into it might get some updates.

No community SSU, no TI 3D drivers, no Mer that'll replace Maemo... yeah. Community support has given me updates for DialCentral, for parts of RTComm... but that's not OS specific.

People want official support so they will not feel left behind. It's not that it will bring anything new to the table other than lessen the buyer's remorse that we're witnessing. And that's not exactly a bad thing.

The community delivers better apps, so far downright abysmal on supporting the OS.
 

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2010-02-28 , 02:04
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Neither is community support. It has yielded nothing as far as the OS goes. Only the applications that go into it might get some updates.

No community SSU, no TI 3D drivers, no Mer that'll replace Maemo... yeah. Community support has given me updates for DialCentral, for parts of RTComm... but that's not OS specific.

People want official support so they will not feel left behind. It's not that it will bring anything new to the table other than lessen the buyer's remorse that we're witnessing. And that's not exactly a bad thing.

The community delivers better apps, so far downright abysmal on supporting the OS.
Well TI 3D drivers were just released recently (like this month I think)..but yeah it's pitiful that the community here does a better job of supporting the OS than Nokia does.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 
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2010-02-28 , 02:07
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Well TI 3D drivers were just released recently (like this month I think)..but yeah it's pitiful that the community here does a better job of supporting the OS than Nokia does.
Those drivers were released; but not yet usable by normal users - super-duper users like Stskeeps has them already running from what I gather.

But as it stands, I'm patient still; however hope isn't infinite.
 
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2010-02-28 , 07:30
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Originally Posted by rikisky View Post
Are you gonna complain also when Iphone 5g comes out and you can't use it's holographic display or something like that? ... did 3g buyers complain when 3gs came out with better processor and 3.5g connection?
I don't think anyone is complaining about new hardware. N900 is a great piece of hardware, and I'm sure the coming Meego device from Nokia is even faster. Just as the 3GS is a lot faster than 2G/3G. BUT those old iPhones still run the exactly same OS and the same apps. That's why the iPhone has so many apps(most are rubbish of course).

Jaaksi and all other Nokia people have very strictly avoided saying anything about Harmattan/Meego on N900. Now why would they do that if they would actually be working on it? I see lots of people here and elsewhere feeling very unsecure about the future(or the lack of it) for the N900, surely announcing Meego for it would increase the sales?

They say the N900 has a great future. But to be honest, all I see is a vague promise of some buxfixes(not big ones though, wasted work for a dead platform so they're in harmattan) and maybe a possibility of some future developers of porting their apps to the N900 (it's not going to run the same apps from OVI store).

The N900 clearly isn't getting any new features. No maps, no portrait. iPhone and Android-devices have set the standard and showed how to properly support a platform and make your customers feel the device actually has a future. Nokia has managed to do quite the opposite.
 

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2010-02-28 , 08:47
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Well TI 3D drivers were just released recently (like this month I think)..but yeah it's pitiful that the community here does a better job of supporting the OS than Nokia does.

But that is the whole point of using linux, isn't it? Having your development work done by volunteers.

BTW, everybody seems to have overlook a very important remark in the blog: the N900 is selling well. Very well, even: faster than Nokia can build them. So all your complains about feeling abandoned are futile. What counts is that Nokia abandoned every implementation of their tablets: the 770, the N800, the N810 and now the N900 (by "abandoned" I mean that they did not provide an upgrade path and/or broke some compatibility so that existing applications needed to be adapted), but they still sell them faster than they can build them. Why would they change their strategy?
 
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2010-02-28 , 09:23
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Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
...I hear and see the fears, but for some reason, much of this seems incredibly blown way off base...
Mr Wright, sorry for pulling that bite out of your post, but that summarizes my feelings about a depressingly large number of posts in these forums these days...

Well, that comment and Louis CK's "Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy". (which I also was introduced to in a long-ago whiny thread)
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