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2010-04-29 , 15:00
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#41
IMEI tracking is not an issue.

But IMEI can be blocked after it is stolen and that undermines the market for stolen phones. There is no incentive to still N900 if it can't be used after that. Car's VIN number services exactly this - after it introduction and verification during car registration the car steeling is useless. (Besides disassembling on parts, of course).
 
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2010-04-29 , 15:10
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Originally Posted by Aranel View Post
sebastian_ua96 is correct about laws, but here's the best part: If someone stole your mobile device(phone) you cannot get it back with IMEI tracking. It WAS possible, It IS still possible but in new Turkish law, police will never track your device for you. So, since OP already said that he is living in Turkey, IMEI number will not be useful for him to get his device back (if he loses) or anybody else. (if it's a theft)

See here (sorry, in Turkish. Maybe you can use Google Translate if you care that much): http://www.turkhukuksitesi.com/showthread.php?t=6733
The main idea of imei among other reasons is not necessarily to get the device back but to disable the device through obvious ways and that is usually done by the simm provider with a police report proven on record of the theft, it is not usually the job of police to locate the device.
sebastian_ua96 needs to read the previous posts and realise he simply cannot get the answers he wants as it is illegal to post such advice and should simply stop asking for information on how to change emei.
 
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2010-04-29 , 15:27
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The main idea of imei among other reasons is not necessarily to get the device back but to disable the device through obvious ways and that is usually done by the simm provider with a police report proven on record of the theft, it is not usually the job of police to locate the device.
sebastian_ua96 needs to read the previous posts and realise he simply cannot get the answers he wants as it is illegal to post such advice and should simply stop asking for information on how to change emei.
I do not need any answers) I've got everything I need. thanks for the worrying illegal thing is possible, everyone who need will do that. My concerns were that you do not understand the Turkish guy needs by saying he stole the device which was even not available on the market. And one more concern was that I'm not going to pay the government *******s extra $300 because they need money (not country! but few persons who wnats more and more). And this is the reality of post soviet union countries.

I would also like if there would be any mechanizm to block stolen cameras and camcorders, mp3 players, bags etc.
 
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2010-04-29 , 15:32
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#44
I'm not saying that it is all ok to share this kind of information on Maemo Talk forums (and, I'm not saying that it is not ok. It depends on personal opinions of moderators and location of TMO server). Just trying to make it clear for everyone: If somebody wants to change IMEI number, it is nothing about theft, so you can't accuse him with that.

Yes, you're right about you can block GSM features of the device, but if you lost your device and there's no way to get it back, is it really important? Even if you use IMEI number to block GSM, thief will find "someone with enough knowledge and hardware" and he'll get away with your device easily.

Anyway, I don't think it is constructive to discuss about legal or moral parts of it, I care about technical information. And It seems it is not possible to get it here, and I don't have enough motives to get it from another source (I was lucky enough to get my device registered, with passport of my friend.)

Maybe this site can help, I didn't tried but It seems they are already flashing other Nxx series devices with their own software and it is possible to change IMEI number: gsmhosting.com
 
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2010-04-29 , 15:36
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Originally Posted by Aranel View Post
Anyway, I don't think it is constructive to discuss about legal or moral parts of it, I care about technical information. And It seems it is not possible to get it here, and I don't have enough motives to get it from another source (I was lucky enough to get my device registered, with passport of my friend.)

Maybe this site can help, I didn't tried but It seems they are already flashing other Nxx series devices with their own software and it is possible to change IMEI number: gsmhosting.com
Of course it's constructive to discuss legal and moral aspects. It's certainly not DEstructive.

This site is not purposed to support illegal activities. Please don't try to reshape it into one.
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2010-04-29 , 16:00
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Of course it's constructive to discuss legal and moral aspects. It's certainly not DEstructive.

This site is not purposed to support illegal activities. Please don't try to reshape it into one.
I don't think it was OP's intention to make this thread about any other aspects except technical details, and I'm only saying I found it unnecessary (for me) to discuss, it's a personal choice.

I didn't say anything illegal, or supported anything And reshaping TMO to an illegal site is not one of my top priorities now.

PS: Time to whine more about PR1.2 :P
 
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2010-04-29 , 16:11
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I may have misunderstood your statements Aranel. If so, I apologize.
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2010-04-29 , 16:40
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Originally Posted by Aranel View Post
I'm not saying that it is all ok to share this kind of information on Maemo Talk forums (and, I'm not saying that it is not ok. It depends on personal opinions of moderators and location of TMO server). Just trying to make it clear for everyone: If somebody wants to change IMEI number, it is nothing about theft, so you can't accuse him with that.

Yes, you're right about you can block GSM features of the device, but if you lost your device and there's no way to get it back, is it really important? Even if you use IMEI number to block GSM, thief will find "someone with enough knowledge and hardware" and he'll get away with your device easily.

Anyway, I don't think it is constructive to discuss about legal or moral parts of it, I care about technical information. And It seems it is not possible to get it here, and I don't have enough motives to get it from another source (I was lucky enough to get my device registered, with passport of my friend.)

Maybe this site can help, I didn't tried but It seems they are already flashing other Nxx series devices with their own software and it is possible to change IMEI number: gsmhosting.com
From what this person is saying i must say that IF the authorities of any country make it difficult to register a device using imei then it can be said THAT country can only progress illegal activites of changing emei simply by the fact it is not working with the world to stop mobile device theft.
Such countries should therefore do as much as possible to combat mobile device theft instead of making it difficult for their own nationals to legally own a mobile device as this will obviously be one of the reasons such people want to change emei.
 
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2010-04-29 , 16:43
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
From what this person is saying i must say that IF the authorities of any country make it difficult to register a device using imei then it can be said THAT country can only progress illegal activites of changing emei simply by the fact it is not working with the world to stop mobile device theft.
I feel badly for people living in some of these countries: modern to the point that cell phones may be a necessity (they are for me as an IT person) but backwards in the area of creating the proper sales and support environment. That forces citizens into "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations.

But... the US isn't much better with our spectrum monopolies...
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