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Originally Posted by danramos
Exactly. About the only thing special about Nokia hardware is they actually consider hard keyboards. And even HTC is now getting a clue that no all users want touchscreens only.
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i beleive meego phones using intel atom processors will allow us to compile x86 envitonment apllications to meego so no
Actually this is their last chance for me,if meego is a success nokia is back if not byer bye
Actually this is their last chance for me,if meego is a success nokia is back if not byer bye
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
You give the N900 too little credit..it has 32GB of storage + support for a 32GB microsd. That's 64GB. Name one alternative that does that.
Exactly. About the only thing special about Nokia hardware is they actually consider hard keyboards. And even HTC is now getting a clue that no all users want touchscreens only.
It has a resistive touchscreen with pressure sensitivity, and quite sensitive too. I have no problem using it with the finger, and I can draw well using myPaint, something I can't do with a capacitive touchscreen,,(and something I will miss since no one hardly uses resistive anymore).
It has an IR port..which opens the possibility of a remote control. Most other phones don't have this. It is capable of a 10MBps connection with HSDP and it has an FM Transmitter.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that HTC phones are bad..they're very good and an excellent alternative.
But saying that the N900's hardware is inferior is very unfair in my opinion.
CPU is not bad. It's not a Snapdragon, but a Cortex A8 is still one of the best, and almost as capable as the Snapdragon, and in media it is superior. And 256MB RAM + 768MB Swap is enopugh in my opinion. I have never run out of memory..and believe me I don't just use my N900 to check my emails.
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Your right pantera1989. There are things about the N900 I forgot to mention. But who would want to buy (nice) Nokia hardware given their typical support?
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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Originally Posted by pantera1989
The old N800 could do that.. PLUS both were removable cards. It seems like the Pandora can do that too. (two 32GB SDHC, I mean) Additionally, ANYTHING that accepts SDHC could conceivably support a single 16GB or 32GB SDHC (my Droid has a single 16GB SDHC) and it's plenty of space. I doubt anyone will care that the N900 has 32GB built in PLUS takes an SDHC if the battery keeps getting drained so quickly or there's so many bugs that nobody can fix or any number of these other more important details.
You give the N900 too little credit..it has 32GB of storage + support for a 32GB microsd. That's 64GB. Name one alternative that does that.
Originally Posted by pantera1989
I'll give you that, I guess.. but this is a matter of personal preference. I rather prefer the resistive touchscreens--but there are a lot of fans of capacitive touchscreens. I could live with either, really.
It has a resistive touchscreen with pressure sensitivity, and quite sensitive too. I have no problem using it with the finger, and I can draw well using myPaint, something I can't do with a capacitive touchscreen,,(and something I will miss since no one hardly uses resistive anymore).
Originally Posted by pantera1989
It's 2010. Hell, I use my Motorola Droid to operate my VLC player via touchscreen like a remote control over my home wifi. I've seen apps on it to do the same for Tivo, Roku, MythTV and so on. IR is so 20th century.
It has an IR port..which opens the possibility of a remote control. Most other phones don't have this. It is capable of a 10MBps connection with HSDP and it has an FM Transmitter.
HSDP is a promise, not a feature and the FM transmitter sounds wonky from the accounts I'm reading lately. The FM transmitter seems like a waste of circuitry, considering they should have concentrated on excellent Bluetooth HSP/A2DP. Speaking of 20th century. Heh... FM transmitter. :P
Originally Posted by pantera1989
The N900's hardware isn't necessarily inferior, no. It's certainly not the amazingly advanced phone/computer/whatever that Nokia billed it to be, though. It's just.. nothing special. Even the only-partially-open OS is leaving it only "on par" with its competition, certainly not ahead of it. Let's truly hope MeeGo changes that someday.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that HTC phones are bad..they're very good and an excellent alternative.
But saying that the N900's hardware is inferior is very unfair in my opinion.
Originally Posted by pantera1989
You had me up until you said that it's superior in media. I'm not sure how you arrive at that. What did you mean? Maybe I missed something. Near as I can tell, these Android phones are EASILY handling much larger and more media than the N900's Cortex A8. Hell, some of these new phones are doing HDMI output and even my Motorola Droid can plug into an external USB 2GB hard drive (hell, my old N800 could do that too!) if I REALLY want a ton of space as an example of handling media. What did yo u mean?
CPU is not bad. It's not a Snapdragon, but a Cortex A8 is still one of the best, and almost as capable as the Snapdragon, and in media it is superior. And 256MB RAM + 768MB Swap is enopugh in my opinion. I have never run out of memory..and believe me I don't just use my N900 to check my emails.
Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Aaaaand then there's the deal-killer.
Your right pantera1989. There are things about the N900 I forgot to mention. But who would want to buy (nice) Nokia hardware given their typical support?
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The way this topic is going... there's some rather xenophobic/extremely patriotic posts where it shouldn't even exist. There's no need. In fact, it's laughable. Some of y'all need to relax.
Regardless... should Nokia go Android? No.
Should Nokia drop MeeGo? No.
But they seriously did pick one of the worse names out there.
N900's hardware is only inferior to the newer offerings... which in turn will be relegated to an inferior status after even newer offerings. That's how gadgets go.
Too bad that Maemo is a dead-end and the only support people will get will be via a community that can't even agree on if something like a SMS being sent out via one of the closed bits and cannot be avoided (charges, et al) is a bad thing.
And besides... Google is in it for the software. Nokia is in it for the hardware. Apparently opposite sides of the fence. And only one seems to be offering updates regularly. The other, dead end once the hardware is replaced by newer hardware/CPU, or whatever excuse is in style that day.
Regardless... should Nokia go Android? No.
Should Nokia drop MeeGo? No.
But they seriously did pick one of the worse names out there.
N900's hardware is only inferior to the newer offerings... which in turn will be relegated to an inferior status after even newer offerings. That's how gadgets go.
Too bad that Maemo is a dead-end and the only support people will get will be via a community that can't even agree on if something like a SMS being sent out via one of the closed bits and cannot be avoided (charges, et al) is a bad thing.
And besides... Google is in it for the software. Nokia is in it for the hardware. Apparently opposite sides of the fence. And only one seems to be offering updates regularly. The other, dead end once the hardware is replaced by newer hardware/CPU, or whatever excuse is in style that day.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
As usual, you're spot-on.
And besides... Google is in it for the software. Nokia is in it for the hardware. Apparently opposite sides of the fence. And only one seems to be offering updates regularly. The other, dead end once the hardware is replaced by newer hardware/CPU, or whatever excuse is in style that day.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Google is in it to secure their position in the mobile world, something other vendors would like to lock them out of. Android lets them steer the ship, while MeeGo doesn't quite.
Google is in it for the software.
Nokia is in it for the hardware.
If HTC released a device with root access available as easily as it is on the N900, only running MeeGo, I'd jump ship in a second. And -that's- what Nokia needs to get in high gear to prevent.
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Originally Posted by wmarone
And they're doing it via software. They sold the Google Nexus, considered it a "kickstart" to the Android platform, and are not returning with the Nexus Two.
Google is in it to secure their position in the mobile world, something other vendors would like to lock them out of. Android lets them steer the ship, while MeeGo doesn't quite.
That's indicative of a software based agenda than anything I've seen from Nokia.
On the contrary, I think Nokia is in it for the services. But there in lies the problem: I'm not sure what they're after. And I don't think they are either, which is bad when everyone else is nipping at your heels in terms of hardware.
You mean navigation? They were going to charge you until Google made it free on their platform... everybody followed suit. You mean e-mail? If you mean Modest, it's horrible... and if you mean Ovi, it's often down for folks. If you mean communication? RTComm has quirks like no other.
And if you say "it's step 4 out of 5"... then you're (somewhat) admitting that the software isn't quite finished/ready for mainstream and it's all a ARM A8 CPU that's bringing the bang to the table. And thus... hardware. Look at the N8. HDMI, better screen, faster ARM cpu... weighed down by Symbian^3 - which has been opened up and given away. Software isn't important to Nokia, not as important as slow updates, start/stops and lack of range offerings that are extremely limited.
There are no real offerings from Nokia that are enterprice-class in terms of software offerings for the end-user outside of the OS itself. The other software offerings compared to Google are sub-par, if that in most cases.
To me, Nokia has always been about the newest hardware - slide that go two ways, faster processors, microphones that offer better clarity... their OS's... not so refined.
And that's not a bad thing. Just a difference in how they approach the handset business.
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Originally Posted by danramos
I meant as a SoC not CPU alone. The one implemented in the iPhone 3GS and N900 was better (slightly) than the Nexus One in something. It was either graphic or media rendering. I'm not quite sure..but that's not the point. It's still clear that the N900;s hardware is not bad.
You had me up until you said that it's superior in media. I'm not sure how you arrive at that. What did you mean? Maybe I missed something. Near as I can tell, these Android phones are EASILY handling much larger and more media than the N900's Cortex A8. Hell, some of these new phones are doing HDMI output and even my Motorola Droid can plug into an external USB 2GB hard drive (hell, my old N800 could do that too!) if I REALLY want a ton of space as an example of handling media. What did yo u mean?
About the IR thing..it's 2010. Does your TV work with Wi-Fi? IR is still used. Although I never use it..it's there and worth mentioning.
This is not a patriotic post gerbick. Not at all. But saying that the N900's hardware is bad is unfair. When it was released it was just as good as any HTC. That was my point.
It's more the software that is to blame IMO. Maemo is great. I love every second of it. But what's with the slow Application manager..File Manager..Media Player..Email..Calender.. practically anything Nokia added is slow.
That and only that would be my complaint. I don't really care for Flash 10.1. And I think Nokia should have been clear about their intentions with the N900. I would still have bought it..but at least I wouldn't feel cheated (the whole Meego thing).
I don't know how we ended up discussing hardware..when the topic is completely different. It's a stupid topic though. When have Nokia ever used any OS apart from their own?
Originally Posted by gerbick
If Nokia is good at one thing..it's pushing back deadlines
What services? Ovi should have been ready last year. It's still not fully ready.
Employee -Oh no..we haven't finished yet!
Boss -Don't worry. We'll delay the release date.
E- Umm..we still have not finished developing.
B- Umm..ok. I guess we can push the release date one more time.
E- We haven't finished polishing up and removing all the bugs.
B- Don't worry. Just release it. We'll fix them later with an update.
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