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2010-11-28
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This summer I forgot my overclocked N900 in my car when the sun was "burning" it. When i came back, my phone was so hot that i couldnt touch it,really!
This unbrickable device is still alive since a year
This unbrickable device is still alive since a year
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2010-11-28
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wait: the n900 is not open source. it is closed down source and that is not only the software but also the specifications of the chipset. all in the secret. some smart guys found specs of chips that may be clones of the used ones and we have specs of similar chips but nothing official about the real used chipset let alone anything telling how the device was designed to utilize the chips(a rough idea:yes. but not the necessary details ). nokia doesn't reveal it's secrets atleast didn't up to now.
Originally Posted by Dark_Angel85
Just wondering...
Since the pr1.3 was released, I see more efficient CPU usage and the overall response on the device seems more fluid and efficient.
Of course by overclocking the CPU, the device performs faster in general but there are many variables that cannot be calculated by the users or individual developers in this forum i.e. the lifespan of the cpu, overheating on the small device vis a vis a desktop cpu and other things.
Since overclocking seems to be so popular among the users here, why is it that the updated firmware not address it a little bit? Is it possible that there are somehow some minor repercussions? It might not be very severe but there could be reasons why it is set at stock value to run at 250 - 600 Mhz.
After reading a couple of forums here and there, I can see that one of the major reasons why the manufacturer would seriously underclock the device is due to battery life i.e. Iphone clocked at about 533Mhz thus Apple seems to boast LOOOONG battery life... Maybe the Nokia manufacturers think that the general public would prefer using their devices for a certain period of time and therefore decided to stock clock it at that value which allows the phone to be run at a certain length of time? No?
If not, if the device can in fact, run MUCH smoother, at NO costs whatsoever to the device, then why won't they set it at THAT value? I'm sure they have tested it to a certain degree during R&D to find out the best CPU speed to run perfectly for a lengthy period.
Besides, I would like to think that if they feel that this open-sourced device can run BETTER without much hassle (as what we all can see, individuals at home able to modify their CPU speeds), why not put it in the next firmware update? Unless there is somewhat a MARKETING PROPAGANDA and refusing to back down in what they have set it originally...
I think if Nokia realises that it could run better at a different CPU speed, they could easily do that in the next update.
In the meantime, I run my pr1.3 stock speed just fine without much complaints.
What do you guys think?
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2010-11-28
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I gree about the profit of companies and their image and all....
Most things are purely about moola, money, yes Mammon is very much alive and well today.
To overclock is to risk. Everyone makes a descision before the go do any overclocking. Descisions needs evaluation. If you want to overclock, go for it.
If you are like me, to wait for something and the use it for what it is designed, then it WILL work the way it should and for longer than expected. That way you end up so appreciative that when, like me, say goodbye to my N6210 I had for 4 years and finally get the N900, am charged up enough to know that stuff can work for us and not the other way around.
Maybe if I have reason to overclock, I would consider for sure.....and make extra sure I save up faster for the E7.
Most things are purely about moola, money, yes Mammon is very much alive and well today.
To overclock is to risk. Everyone makes a descision before the go do any overclocking. Descisions needs evaluation. If you want to overclock, go for it.
If you are like me, to wait for something and the use it for what it is designed, then it WILL work the way it should and for longer than expected. That way you end up so appreciative that when, like me, say goodbye to my N6210 I had for 4 years and finally get the N900, am charged up enough to know that stuff can work for us and not the other way around.
Maybe if I have reason to overclock, I would consider for sure.....and make extra sure I save up faster for the E7.
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2010-11-28
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Oh yeah, and about the propaganda thingy - The N900 was never released here in South Africa. It "failed rigour testing 4 times", as quopted by one of the service providers here.
And how is it that a device is so expensive. I mean, it's only hardware, breakable and tiny? Like most of everyone says, its about money and money is power and everyone will not move a muscle it see it be the other way around - the way it's supposed to be already.
How sad it is indeed to have seen the E7 and only will get to have it as a non-grey product in SA only middle 2011....possibly not even get released like the N900 - too advanced and will have everyone bugging the service providers for device support.......like, we are stupid.
I guess most people are - paying through their ears for a piece of hardware....it still isn't right capitalising on it...
And how is it that a device is so expensive. I mean, it's only hardware, breakable and tiny? Like most of everyone says, its about money and money is power and everyone will not move a muscle it see it be the other way around - the way it's supposed to be already.
How sad it is indeed to have seen the E7 and only will get to have it as a non-grey product in SA only middle 2011....possibly not even get released like the N900 - too advanced and will have everyone bugging the service providers for device support.......like, we are stupid.
I guess most people are - paying through their ears for a piece of hardware....it still isn't right capitalising on it...
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2010-11-29
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Originally Posted by lunat
good pointing that out... and I think it IS true. No manufacturer in their right mind would open up their entire device for scrutiny and let out all their software and engineering secrets just because of consumer demands. It's true - you hit that at the dot... still, isn't this tablet more open (in whatever way) than others? I think it's quite a bold step anyway right? Unlike like the E7 which probably would ONLY support the latest symbian^3.
wait: the n900 is not open source. it is closed down source and that is not only the software but also the specifications of the chipset. all in the secret. some smart guys found specs of chips that may be clones of the used ones and we have specs of similar chips but nothing official about the real used chipset let alone anything telling how the device was designed to utilize the chips(a rough idea:yes. but not the necessary details ). nokia doesn't reveal it's secrets atleast didn't up to now.
Well, this then further enhances my idea that there are still things kept under the rug which we don't know about either the software or chipset/cpu etc... therefore it's quite difficult to make an EXACT quantification about repercussions towards the CPU which to me, is quite a big deal..
... but like what a lot of you said, it's really about preference... some people don't even want to keep it for long anyway.. hehehe.. they'd probably switch to the n9 or e7 or n8 in a moments instance cause they never stick to one gadget longer than 1 year right?
... in the end, whatever that makes you happy.
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2010-11-29
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Originally Posted by JakeTheHake
Dude.. I feel you man, interesting though... did they mention EXACTLY what were the rigor tests? I mean, since it even affected the launching of the device in your place, then it should be quite important tests right? I would certainly imagine that it didn't even pass the most basic of tests if it were to affect the launch of the product in a place...
Oh yeah, and about the propaganda thingy - The N900 was never released here in South Africa. It "failed rigour testing 4 times", as quopted by one of the service providers here.
And how is it that a device is so expensive. I mean, it's only hardware, breakable and tiny? Like most of everyone says, its about money and money is power and everyone will not move a muscle it see it be the other way around - the way it's supposed to be already.
How sad it is indeed to have seen the E7 and only will get to have it as a non-grey product in SA only middle 2011....possibly not even get released like the N900 - too advanced and will have everyone bugging the service providers for device support.......like, we are stupid.
I guess most people are - paying through their ears for a piece of hardware....it still isn't right capitalising on it...
About the e7, I think it's really sad if they don't launch that with the excuse that you said.. being TOO advanced. I think that would be really bull cause they're SUPPOSED to introduce and SUPPORT the end-users with their products... and people WILL pay through their teeth if they see good support from the manufacturers in providing them good post-purchase services... at least, I would.
I think it's unfair to say like 'people are paying for hardware' cause they're really not JUST paying for hardware eh? If you were to count the weight of the metals, silicones and all that material, I'm sure it'll not amount to much but it's the design and the 'art' of making the hardware and software that packs the pounds. I think it's fair to say that even though some things might shrink in size, you pay more for it because it IS the latest tech in both design and functionality.
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2010-11-29
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tele & andithebest: GREAT!!! WOW!!! I think it really does show the hardy built of the n900 eh! I really hope your devices work fine even after such harsh conditions (not tele..)..
I think in terms of build quality, I have always preferred Nokia to other manufacturers... their hardware and build of their tablets and phones really last...
I think in terms of build quality, I have always preferred Nokia to other manufacturers... their hardware and build of their tablets and phones really last...
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2010-11-29
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Originally Posted by lunat
It is, mostly. But with MeeGo on the horizon it's somewhat moot.
wait: the n900 is not open source.
it is closed down source and that is not only the software but also the specifications of the chipset.
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2010-11-29
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Originally Posted by Dark_Angel85
You are actually overclocking the CPU lightly, that is if you go above 800mhz. The 65nm A8 is meant to run at 800mhz stable, and TI produces different SoC variants, 600mhz, 720mhz, 800mhz. Companies have to somehow advertise diverse and new offerings. There is surely a higher fee in getting the 800mhz chip, even though it's just factory overclocked at same voltage.
Just wondering...
Since the pr1.3 was released, I see more efficient CPU usage and the overall response on the device seems more fluid and efficient.
Of course by overclocking the CPU, the device performs faster in general but there are many variables that cannot be calculated by the users or individual developers in this forum i.e. the lifespan of the cpu, overheating on the small device vis a vis a desktop cpu and other things.
Since overclocking seems to be so popular among the users here, why is it that the updated firmware not address it a little bit? Is it possible that there are somehow some minor repercussions? It might not be very severe but there could be reasons why it is set at stock value to run at 250 - 600 Mhz.
After reading a couple of forums here and there, I can see that one of the major reasons why the manufacturer would seriously underclock the device is due to battery life i.e. Iphone clocked at about 533Mhz thus Apple seems to boast LOOOONG battery life... Maybe the Nokia manufacturers think that the general public would prefer using their devices for a certain period of time and therefore decided to stock clock it at that value which allows the phone to be run at a certain length of time? No?
If not, if the device can in fact, run MUCH smoother, at NO costs whatsoever to the device, then why won't they set it at THAT value? I'm sure they have tested it to a certain degree during R&D to find out the best CPU speed to run perfectly for a lengthy period.
Besides, I would like to think that if they feel that this open-sourced device can run BETTER without much hassle (as what we all can see, individuals at home able to modify their CPU speeds), why not put it in the next firmware update? Unless there is somewhat a MARKETING PROPAGANDA and refusing to back down in what they have set it originally...
I think if Nokia realises that it could run better at a different CPU speed, they could easily do that in the next update.
In the meantime, I run my pr1.3 stock speed just fine without much complaints.
What do you guys think?
IMHO, there should be no issues running at 1ghz and above with proper voltage. Snapdragon 1st gen SoC are 65nm and run at 1ghz with slightly lower than starving voltage and are still overclock happy. Lifetime may not shorten, since you are not running 100% max frequency constantly, the CPU does the task given faster and idles sooner.
I read the Arm cortex A8 spec and it said is scalable from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz. I don't see a problem in overclocking.
Temp has never been over 35 degrees. This is when charging and streaming youtube!
The issue is the battery life. Nokia should have given a high capacity battery instead of a crap battery.
Overall i think overclocking is worth it. I'm fine with charging it every night.
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