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Karel Jansens is offline Karel Jansens
2007-08-15 , 20:55
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#41
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
I hopped on no bandwagon. Zerojay has his post, and I have mine, and never the twain did meet. And you were saying about misunderstanding...?
I was not calling you pointless or -- Bog forbid -- dumb. Like yours, my remark was generic, but I admit that the use of "yours" instead of "one's", despite the clarification in brackets (which I actually put there to prevent the conundrum we're now in), was ill-chosen.

In my defense, since I allready labeled Zerojay a "commie leecher", calling him "dumb" in a subsequent post would have been an upward reclassification.

So, again: you're not stupid, my remark was not addressed at you and I am an idiot.

That's the best I've got.
 
trevarthan is offline trevarthan
2007-08-15 , 20:56
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#42
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
It wasn't exactly a refusal. Many decisions were made for the sake of expediency, especially in areas where there were no OSS options (such as highly specific hardware support). Nokia is very committed to expanding the openness, but this is no light task. Hopefully many developers will be pleased with what's on the way.
Yeah, I'm not talking about the hardware drivers. You'll get no gripes from me about that. I'm specifically talking about the default applications on the device.
 
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2007-08-15 , 20:57
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#43
Originally Posted by Ald View Post
Sorry, this is the only one that I can address, and I may be completely off the mark here, but shouldn't it be (isn't it?) as simple as creating another Telepathy plugin? Or even porting Idle, the current IRC module for Telepathy? Or are there additional extensions Nokia added to Telepathy that would make this not a viable option?
I have no idea. Where's the source code for the current plugins? Maybe we can go from there.
 
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2007-08-15 , 21:15
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#44
Originally Posted by trevarthan View Post
Yeah, I'm not talking about the hardware drivers. You'll get no gripes from me about that. I'm specifically talking about the default applications on the device.
Understood. Even there, decisions were made based on expediency by and large. I won't say that was the sole motivation, or make excuses for it, but it is what it is. The good news is that work is being done to at least partially rectify that situation. Stay tuned.
 
Ald is offline Ald
2007-08-15 , 21:19
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#45
Where's the source code for the current plugins?
Woo! Threadjack! The components are mentioned at Freedesktop.org, with links to the various plugins and their source listed as the first items. I believe Maemo only runs Gabble at the moment, though I believe the rtcomm beta implements Telepathy-SofiaSIP.
 
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2007-08-15 , 21:23
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#46
Texrat, I hope you are really not believing what you are saying. I do think you have done exactly to me what you accuse Karl of. You say that it is I who have done this. Obviously your right, you always are??

You say in your PM to me that I slammed you, seriously I stated nothing but what I believe to be is the truth. While I believe that you do exactly what you accuse Karl of. You however have an opinion that I am picking on you, because I once refered to you as male genitalia.

If you thought by offering me a stand for my n800, I would somehow change who I am or what annoys me, you would be wrong. I want Nokia to step up, if you want to send me a stand I can use it, and I offered to pay for it, if not no big deal.

Originally Posted by Texrat
Because I look back at my track record and see that, for the most part, I have worked tirelessly for tablet owners and in many cases fought my own company over how they (you) have been treated. I don't ask for any reward for providing faceplates or covers or advice, but I sure don't think the insults and general nastiness aimed my way by you and a tiny minority are deserved.
Ah Yes, my insults and nastiness, calling you a pot, how f-ing rude... I am sorry for persecuting you

Originally Posted by Texrat
I will ask you again: if you have a problem with me, don't address me. Place me on ignore. I will gladly accord you the same level of respect. I'd rather get along, but if that's too much to ask, then using the Ignore feature or just leaving one another's posts alone and behaving like adults may be the only solution..
Perhaps if you had ignored my pot/kettle remark which has hurt you so desperately, I would not be responding to you.


Its amazing I dont seem to get into these stupid arguments with anyone but you, yet you seem to be getting into arguments with more than just me. Logic dictates you are the source of the problem, or perhaps we are all just picking on you.

 
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2007-08-15 , 21:28
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#47
Holy cow.

Seriously, please take advantage of the ignore feature. I am.
 
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2007-08-15 , 21:31
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#48
I may not have been posting in this forum but I have been watching since it started. I was an avid zaurus user and poster but like Z's forum their is too much BI*#&ING by grown A## adults that makes people shy away from forums and code for themselves . It's okay to have gripes but a little appreciation is all the incentive some people need instead of the whining
 
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2007-08-15 , 21:50
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#49
Originally Posted by trevarthan View Post
I suppose the selfish part of me starts a project for personal reasons like "Man, I wish I could do X". But then I carry on with it just because it's good fun.
I don't see that as selfish. It is a personal machine, and obviously you are going to want to do your own thing. There is no point trying to do something you have no interest in, unless you are doing it for someone else as a favour (or for profit)

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I don't mind having some proprietary pieces in the OS. My app for example, Kagu, could easily be made to run on any OS with a touch screen. It wouldn't even have to be Linux. So I'm not really wasting my time if maemo goes away.
I have always found that except in really specific circumstances, most software is like that. I have applications that I have written on all platforms, in different languages. I have an application (Lines/LinesFG/Yagol) that I started as a sort of test of a new platform that I always write when going to a new platform. So far I have redone it in C, C++, Obj-C, Obj-C++, C# and Java on the PocketPC, Palm, Mac & TabletPC and am now set up for doing it on the 770!

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What I don't appreciate is being kept out of the Chat, Voice, and Mail APIs. Where's our IRC module for the Chat app? Where's our hooks to make pidgin the default Chat client? And Sylpheed the default Mail client?
Well, I am new to the platform but did wonder about that. With the presence menu on the left, I wanted to add newsgroups which I was currently using claws mail for, but there didn't seem a way. That seemed odd.

Originally Posted by trevarthan View Post
Why does Canola continue to undermine my work by making new completely proprietary releases?
Canola is a huge de-motivator for me.
Now I look at your application, I can see that it would be! Is Canola anything to do with Nokia?

Originally Posted by trevarthan View Post
And what is with Nokia's refusal to make OSS applications the default? Why are they compelled to reinvent the wheel? I just don't understand their game plan.
Well, I don't really know how nokia do things, as it is a new area for me other than a few java things on my N73, but maybe they don't actually *have* a game plan?!
 
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2007-08-16 , 02:51
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#50
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
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In my defense, since I allready labeled Zerojay a "commie leecher", calling him "dumb" in a subsequent post would have been an upward reclassification.
Just because I don't make my (upstream) contributions known here doesn't mean that I'm a commie leecher, but I'll file that one away in my scrapbook as that was probably one of the more original things I've been called. Congrats.

You can call what I said stupid if you please. That's fine. Someone that's motivated and passionate about something they are programming and working on are *always* going to put out something that's higher quality than someone that's just a paid code monkey and doesn't really care. Some of the more cynical of you might say or think that the default applications on the N800 (e-mail, rss) are shining examples of that (something I would disagree with).
 
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