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2014-10-22
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Originally Posted by sulu
I'll probably split it up into separate xorg.conf.d files when it gets larger.
I totally missed that there's an xorg.conf in this system. I always went straight to xorg.conf.d and was puzzled to only find the default files there.
Originally Posted by sulu
In my opinion, well written software should work regardless of the init system that has been installed. If it doesn't work, then a legitimate bug should be reported and then subsequently fixed.
@systemd:
I don't want to turn this into yet another systemd thread and my knowledge about init systems isn't deep enough to actually judge that matter.
With the dependency situation in the long run I mean post-jessie. The quality of the software in the debian repos varies greatly and my concern is that some packages in the "outskirts" may not be tested enough against a 2nd non-default init system.
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2014-10-22
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Originally Posted by wicket
Ok, there we are:
In my opinion, well written software should work regardless of the init system that has been installed. If it doesn't work, then a legitimate bug should be reported and then subsequently fixed.
I installed lxde-core without suggests and recommends. lxsession brings a graphical logout via lxsession-logout. This only works with libpolicykit-1 installed which in turn depends on libpam-systemd and therefore sytemd.
edit:
It's the same with libpolkit-backend-1-0 and libsystemd0. I reduced the systemd packages to recommends for both and policykit-1 installed fine.
The logout GUI still didn't come up but segfaulted instead. strace revealed that I had to install lsb-release. The GUI came up but without buttons for shutdown or reboot. I will investigate that later.
edit2:
btw I missed Tab in X11. Since Shift+Space doesn't work as Tab here I remapped @ to Shift+Space and now use AltGr+Space for Tab.
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2014-10-22
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Originally Posted by sulu
The critical systemd package that will change the init system is systemd-sysv. Fortunately, there's systemd-shim for those of us who don't want to use systemd. libpam-systemd and similar packages will happily install with the shim instead of systemd-sysv.
Ok, there we are:
I installed lxde-core without suggests and recommends. lxsession brings a graphical logout via lxsession-logout. This only works with libpolicykit-1 installed which in turn depends on libpam-systemd and therefore sytemd.
edit:
It's the same with libpolkit-backend-1-0 and libsystemd0. I reduced the systemd packages to recommends for both and policykit-1 installed fine.
The logout GUI still didn't come up but segfaulted instead. strace revealed that I had to install lsb-release. The GUI came up but without buttons for shutdown or reboot. I will investigate that later.
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"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer
Maemo Leste for N950 and N9 (currently broken).
Devuan for N950 and N9.
Mobile devices with mainline Linux support - Help needed with documentation.
"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer
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2014-10-23
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Originally Posted by sulu
With systemd-shim, the GUI for logout will come up and everything will work, *except* reboot and shutdown (aka most important things). Don't expect it to work no matter what you do. There is a huge patch apparently fixing many issues (targeted at lxsession package, i believe) send by a non-maintainer over a year ago, but it sits in debian's "mentors" limbo since then, and it doesn't look like situation is going to change, anytime soon.
The logout GUI still didn't come up but segfaulted instead. strace revealed that I had to install lsb-release. The GUI came up but without buttons for shutdown or reboot. I will investigate that later.
Might be work trying to compile the 0.4.9.2-1.1 version of lxsession yourself, from the source send to mentors - everywhere I've searched, people mention that it fixes things as advertised, and I find exactly zero claims, that it breaks something else/doesn't work.
Originally Posted by sulu
WTF? there definitely *should* be one, provided by the upstream bq27x00_battery kernel module. For sure, there is one, when using said module with Maemo (/sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/charge_now) and chip provides those information just right.
btw, I had a look at Maemo's power_supply directory and apparently there's no value indication the current charge either. How does Maemo determine the battery status? Based on the voltage?
If module, for some reasons, fails to provide under native debian,an intermediate fix might be to using i2cget directly in a script, just like good'old bq27200.sh script did. It could temporaly do the job in stead (
) of kernel module, by exposing values to fake sysnode. You would somehow need to direct thing to look there (at your fake sysnode), instead of default one, though.../Estel
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2014-10-23
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with regard to missing shutdow options, has user got correct permissions/group?
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2014-10-23
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Originally Posted by wicket
Correct. Installed systemd-shim, reinstalled policykit-1 and libpolkit-backend-1-0 and the full dialogue came up. Thanks!
The critical systemd package that will change the init system is systemd-sysv. Fortunately, there's systemd-shim for those of us who don't want to use systemd. libpam-systemd and similar packages will happily install with the shim instead of systemd-sysv.
Originally Posted by Estel
Somebody heard you [1]
With systemd-shim, the GUI for logout will come up and everything will work, *except* reboot and shutdown (aka most important things). Don't expect it to work no matter what you do. There is a huge patch apparently fixing many issues (targeted at lxsession package, i believe) send by a non-maintainer over a year ago, but it sits in debian's "mentors" limbo since then, and it doesn't look like situation is going to change, anytime soon.
It's not yet in the repo as a binary, but that should change very soon.
Originally Posted by Estel
This is from my primary N900 running Fremantle with KP:
WTF? there definitely *should* be one, provided by the upstream bq27x00_battery kernel module. For sure, there is one, when using said module with Maemo (/sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/charge_now) and chip provides those information just right.
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# uname -a Linux Nokia-N900-02-8 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux # ls /sys/class/power_supply/rx51-battery/ charge_full_design present technology type voltage_max_design power subsystem temp uevent voltage_now # cat /sys/class/power_supply/rx51-battery/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=rx51-battery POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MAX_DESIGN=4200000 POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4023000 POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=240 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=1323752
Originally Posted by Android_808
This is from DebiaN900:
with regard to missing shutdow options, has user got correct permissions/group?
Code:
$ id uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) Gruppen=1000(user),109(netdev)
I have an old Lenny VM where I'm also in powerdev, but that's neither the case for my Wheezy desktop (Xfce) nor my Jessie VM (LXDE, installed before systemd transition, shutdown not working either)
[1] https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lxs...3T032127Z.html
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Is there a way to give regular users write permissions to /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness ?
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It would also be nice if the kernel could provide /dev/rfkill
Last edited by sulu; 2014-10-23 at 19:42.
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2014-10-25
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I finally found the courage to install alsa. However it doesn't seem to detect the soundcard:
And I must confess I'm pretty helpless in tracking this down without having a pci bus.
I guess the modules are fine?:
I didn't blacklist any modules.
Edit:
Apparently sound should work somehow:
http://elektranox.org/n900/status/sound.html
Last edited by sulu; 2014-10-25 at 18:15.
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# aplay -l aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found
I guess the modules are fine?:
Code:
# lsmod Module Size Used by ctr 3336 1 ccm 7053 1 bnep 9909 2 bluetooth 248083 5 bnep ipv6 281358 14 fuse 77788 1 hsi_char 7426 0 joydev 8637 0 mousedev 9646 0 omap_ssi_port 12288 0 arc4 1559 2 wl1251_spi 3430 0 crc7 1234 1 wl1251_spi wl1251 73971 1 wl1251_spi snd_soc_rx51 7703 0 mac80211 322038 2 wl1251,wl1251_spi isp1704_charger 5071 0 snd_soc_omap_mcbsp 17542 1 snd_soc_rx51 snd_soc_omap 2660 1 snd_soc_omap_mcbsp snd_pcm_dmaengine 5201 1 snd_soc_omap cfg80211 219814 2 mac80211,wl1251 snd_soc_tlv320aic3x 35231 0 snd_soc_tpa6130a2 5866 1 snd_soc_rx51 snd_soc_core 127794 5 snd_soc_omap,snd_soc_rx51,snd_soc_tlv320aic3x,snd_soc_omap_mcbsp,snd_soc_tpa6130a2 snd_compress 7542 1 snd_soc_core snd_pcm 81851 5 snd_soc_core,snd_soc_omap,snd_soc_rx51,snd_soc_omap_mcbsp,snd_pcm_dmaengine tsc2005 6939 0 snd_timer 19605 1 snd_pcm snd 48052 4 snd_soc_core,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_compress bq2415x_charger 14213 0 bq27x00_battery 5613 0 leds_lp5523 8103 0 tsl2563 5493 0 leds_lp55xx_common 7916 1 leds_lp5523 soundcore 990 1 snd rtc_twl 5537 0 twl4030_vibra 2341 0 twl4030_madc 8668 0 ff_memless 4249 1 twl4030_vibra industrialio 25131 2 twl4030_madc,tsl2563 omap_ssi 5347 1 hsi 10348 3 omap_ssi,omap_ssi_port,hsi_char ext4 343037 1 mbcache 9685 1 ext4 jbd2 76226 1 ext4 sd_mod 28098 0 scsi_mod 122176 1 sd_mod omaplfb 10595 0 pvrsrvkm 117851 1 omaplfb omap_wdt 3635 0 twl4030_wdt 2249 0
Edit:
Apparently sound should work somehow:
http://elektranox.org/n900/status/sound.html
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2014-10-26
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Originally Posted by sulu
However, if you dig deeper: http://elinux.org/N900 (search for " All sound alsa switches and channels ") it states that it works only when using kernel from Fremantle and no patches are available for mainline kernel.
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Apparently sound should work somehow:
http://elektranox.org/n900/status/sound.html
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2014-10-27
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I missed that note about the kernel. Thanks!
Another issue I came across, at least if you want to use the N900 as a phone is the power consumption. On Debian it needs about 10x the power it needs on Maemo which results in a battery lifetime of about 6 hours.
Sure, this is with wifi (and maybe some other components) always on and there are probably some kernel tweaks missing and the userland isn't configured for saving power either, so I was expecting a higher power consumption. And it would certainly be much better if suspend to RAM worked, but factor 10 is still quite a lot.
Another issue I came across, at least if you want to use the N900 as a phone is the power consumption. On Debian it needs about 10x the power it needs on Maemo which results in a battery lifetime of about 6 hours.
Sure, this is with wifi (and maybe some other components) always on and there are probably some kernel tweaks missing and the userland isn't configured for saving power either, so I was expecting a higher power consumption. And it would certainly be much better if suspend to RAM worked, but factor 10 is still quite a lot.
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@systemd:
I don't want to turn this into yet another systemd thread and my knowledge about init systems isn't deep enough to actually judge that matter.
With the dependency situation in the long run I mean post-jessie. The quality of the software in the debian repos varies greatly and my concern is that some packages in the "outskirts" may not be tested enough against a 2nd non-default init system.
I think fso-deviced is a good example. Apparently I'm the only one who has tested it since the systemd transition and there might be lots of other packages which seem to be ok, but are actually simply not used which means nobody notices that they're not ok.
btw, I had a look at Maemo's power_supply directory and apparently there's no value indication the current charge either. How does Maemo determine the battery status? Based on the voltage?