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iTab	2008-10-17 , 03:28
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How can I go back to the previous version?

	Benson	2008-10-17 , 04:57
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Reflash to the original Diablo and upgrade only to the point you want (easy), or go through manually adjusting repositories to old SSU versions and downgrading packages (harder).

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macr0t0r	2008-10-17 , 08:02
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Well, for what it's worth, I couldn't get a reliable upgrade until I did the following:
1. Backup (using bundled Backup tool)
2. Re-flash.
3. Update (multiple times until you have the latest Diablo)
4. Restore from backup.
Seems to work...but what a pain!

- Jim

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	darethehair	2008-10-17 , 12:23
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Folks:

I don't know how many others are in the same boat as I am -- I have held off installing the latest upgrade in hopes that an easy way will be explained how to *avoid* problems, or (better yet) that a newer version will follow which will be *risk-free*. Are either of these scenarios realistic?

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iTab	2008-10-17 , 13:04
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Originally Posted by macr0t0r

Well, for what it's worth, I couldn't get a reliable upgrade until I did the following:
1. Backup (using bundled Backup tool)
2. Re-flash.
3. Update (multiple times until you have the latest Diablo)
4. Restore from backup.
Seems to work...but what a pain!

- Jim

How do I "Re-Flash" to a prior version? Do I get it from a link somewhere and then install it via a wire to my PC?

Then, how do I "update multiple times to have the latest Diablo"...?

Then, how do I "restore from backup"...?

I have a folder in my memory of a "backup" - can't I just activate that somehow?

vinc17	2008-10-17 , 13:56
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Originally Posted by iTab

How do I "Re-Flash" to a prior version? Do I get it from a link somewhere and then install it via a wire to my PC?

Look at the wiki. It will necessarily be a previous version.

Originally Posted by iTab

Then, how do I "update multiple times to have the latest Diablo"...?

With the Application Manager or apt-get.

Originally Posted by iTab

Then, how do I "restore from backup"...?

In my case, this was proposed automatically.

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iTab	2008-10-17 , 14:08
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Originally Posted by vinc17

Look at the wiki. It will necessarily be a previous version.

With the Application Manager or apt-get.

In my case, this was proposed automatically.

OK, so I do the re-flash with that link's instructions.

Then, I go to the Application Manager and refresh for updates?

That's it? It will go back to the previous version or it will access and go back to my back-up?

vinc17	2008-10-17 , 15:33
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Originally Posted by iTab

OK, so I do the re-flash with that link's instructions.

Then, I go to the Application Manager and refresh for updates?

That's it? It will go back to the previous version or it will access and go back to my back-up?

After the reflash, you'll get the first Diablo version, and after the first reboot, the system will propose you to restore the backup. Then you can use the Application Manager to do any update, including the SSU ones (I don't remember under what name they appear, but it is quite clear). Note that at this time, only the first SSU will be proposed; if you want the latest SSU, you need to install the first one, then it will ask you to reboot, and after the reboot, use the Application Manager again, refresh for updates again, and the second SSU will be proposed. Just install it...

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macr0t0r	2008-10-17 , 16:00
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So...I realize I'm preaching to the choir...but why are they doing this screwball combined-package update? The whole point of the lovely apt-get utility is to manage dependencies. As far as I'm concerned, the system update should just be a simple script with a bunch of dependencies for updated versions of modest, microb, etc. It would certainly make things far less draconian when doing a fresh flash install versus having to do multiple combined-package updates with reboots in-between. I rather like being able to sym-link certain User folders to my SD card, and I don't want to have to keep a bunch of foreign user-guides (rumored as possible causes for the update failures...I had done both). They're blunder has made me forever gun-shy on future updates.

However, now that they have made this mess, will future updates DEPEND on this unified package? They've sort of dug themselves a hole here. Whoever bundled this thing does not seem too knowledgeable about why apt-get exists and how to use it.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is there a Maemo repository that DOES host all the Diablo applications and libraries where a person could update without a unified package. If not...why not?

- Jim

	Benson	2008-10-17 , 18:16
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Originally Posted by macr0t0r

So...I realize I'm preaching to the choir...but why are they doing this screwball combined-package update? The whole point of the lovely apt-get utility is to manage dependencies. As far as I'm concerned, the system update should just be a simple script with a bunch of dependencies for updated versions of modest, microb, etc. It would certainly make things far less draconian when doing a fresh flash install versus having to do multiple combined-package updates with reboots in-between. I rather like being able to sym-link certain User folders to my SD card, and I don't want to have to keep a bunch of foreign user-guides (rumored as possible causes for the update failures...I had done both). They're blunder has made me forever gun-shy on future updates.

However, now that they have made this mess, will future updates DEPEND on this unified package? They've sort of dug themselves a hole here. Whoever bundled this thing does not seem too knowledgeable about why apt-get exists and how to use it.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is there a Maemo repository that DOES host all the Diablo applications and libraries where a person could update without a unified package. If not...why not?

- Jim

They're coming at this from "the way we've always done it" with cellphone firmware, and are trying to use the Debian package infrastructure implement the same approach of updating everything at once, and making sure the entire system is in a known state first. (This method avoids the assumption that packages are independent.)

Of course, that assumption is avoided in a better way with dpkg; packages specify their interdependencies, so any package can be upgraded in isolation, or with updates of any associated components. But they're not used to that idea, yet.

I think we're stuck with the current situation for Diablo. (I've heard that Fremantle will be different WRT updates; not sure what it will be, but hopefully just normal packages in a repository.)

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