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2012-03-29 , 20:45
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
If what you say is true then Elop is a fool and the board is not as wise as you think. As a device manufacturer you would have to be on something really strong to talk both about fragmentation and device differentiation at the same time, it doesn't make any sense. Unless Nokia plan to be the only WP7 manufacturer. I don't think the board is as wise as you think they are unless they have some undisclosed grand master plan because every press release so far has been contradictory and quite frankly stupid.
Elop says Nokia doesn’t want fragmentation in Windows Phone, because Android has problems with it. Quad-core phones don’t impress him
http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/01/1...t-impress-him/

To be honest, I'm not going to lie, I could just be Plain stupid, (And if i am, i'm not scared to say so) I read through the list, and if you love money? What Ms is offering seems to good to be true.

In terms of (Windows Phone) doesn’t allow for the Sense UI or whatever, I would suggest that one of the biggest challenges facing that particular ecosystem is the fact that there is more and more of that going on. And when I go into the store and look at what that brand was supposed to stand for, I’m not quite seeing it — it’s just unclear what the standard is for the user experience.Stephen ElopNokia
http://androidandme.com/2011/10/news...oids-downfall/

> Nokia is conservative and Nostalgic, thus the reason Elop saw Moneys in Microsoft, Because Microsoft is Conservative and Nostalgic. As for nokia, they cannot use Android because of this Nostalgia.

Anyways

“We don’t want fragmentation being introduced into Windows Phone because we are beginning to see how in a certain other eco-system that fragmentation becomes a problem.”-steven Elop

“You don’t need a quad-core phone unless you want to keep your hands warm in your pocket. We’re believers in the experience so, fine you have this camera density and you have that camera density. Let’s put the pictures side-by-side and we’ll show which ones are better.”
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2012-03-29 , 21:59
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Originally Posted by Ashbeck View Post
According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says...
It's ironic that Nokia went with Microsoft Windows Phone 7 that makes everybody do the same thing, yet it was announced that Nokia could adjust and modify as they see fit.

Which would mean some form of fragmentation, only at a much lesser extent. It's still fragmentation.

Nokia is Nostalgic, and conservative this is what i have been trying to explain, But i am not very good at Explaining things, Blame the Msn and blackberry.
Nokia's heyday is nostalgic. They're in survival mode now. Innovation has largely gone away - camera's only so far going forward post-MeeGo/N9 release - and ultimately you're arguing about something that makes very little sense.

Nokia now does not equate to Nokia then. In fact, Nokia now is still trying to figure out what Nokia will do next. It's WP7 now, but Apollo (WP8) looks to be what they will have to do in order to be competitive in tablets (Win8) and phones (WP8).

Meanwhile, Lumia 900 was delayed, it's not yet released and once released who knows what it will do. Subsidized at 99 bucks, I might get one. At $449, it's cheaper than I paid for the N9.

I didn't say better. I said cheaper.

The CEO can blame anything he wants. But as it stands, most people are no more enthusiastic about WP7 now than they were before it came out. Only a very small set of people seem to care.

Sadly, same thing can be said about the N9. Only a very small set of people seem to care.
 
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2012-03-30 , 04:40
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Nokia Has Two Low-End MeeGo Phones Coming

maybe a way to tell Flop
«hey man, time for you to leave...»


Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
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Nokia's heyday is nostalgic. They're in survival mode now. Innovation has largely gone away - [...]

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beg to differ
just because you equate better with faster & more (RAM), doesn't mean that's what the masses want.
at the end of the day, ppl want a phone that works, last through the day (preferably even several days) and doesn't loose connection all the time.

the camera is the cherry on the cake...

just because a SGS (2?) is the most sold ANDroid device (is it?) doesn't mean that's what makes or breaks a phone maker;
SAMSUNG (they make the SGS whatever, right?) haven't become the biggest smart phone manufacturer because of whatever device but because they sell tens (or even hundreds?) of millions of simple (ANDroid & Bada) devices
Apple is the only company that does one fits them all device
and even they stopped that, as they still sell older models to "cheaper" minded customers
 
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beg to differ
Feel free. But innovation isn't becoming a "me too" company like they currently are becoming. Sadly that's what we're seeing.

Where they had innovation, it's gone for the most part. And I'd love to be wrong.

Where do you see innovation now within Nokia? Magnetic tattoos?

C'mon dawg... </Randy Jackson>
 
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2012-03-30 , 06:38
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Feel free. But innovation isn't becoming a "me too" company like they currently are becoming. Sadly that's what we're seeing.

Where they had innovation, it's gone for the most part. And I'd love to be wrong.

Where do you see innovation now within Nokia? Magnetic tattoos?

C'mon dawg... </Randy Jackson>
Well, they did manage to evolve and improve the EPIC FAIL to a whole new level. That's right folks, we've now seen Nokia create the all-new...
INNOVATIVE FAIL
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2012-03-30 , 06:41
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htc has it too now

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_enables_...-news-4035.php
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2012-03-30 , 06:46
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htc has it too now

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_enables_...-news-4035.php
They're not the first to have offline nav on Android, though. Google Maps does that too, now. I've tried it and it works fine. Other third-party mapping programs have been doing it as well--including the N900 favorite "Sygic" on Android (http://www.sygic.com/). Which still makes me question Nokia's intelligence for not putting their (albeit increasingly poor, in my opinion) mapping software onto Android so they can at LEAST recoup SOME of their losses.

EDIT: Ah my bad--I saw the headline and read briefly before realizing it was a Windows Phone only mappnig app from HTC. Is it really the only other offline mapping app for Windows Phone? Heh... wow.
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so nokia had to be a manufacturer for lowend devices? poor innovation, lost their pride and 2years behind hardware, duh, w8?, meeeh, why its look so special then, its M$ product right?
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2012-03-30 , 07:34
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Nokia innovation? They can innovate on the casing for WP now. That's what left of Nokia innovation.
 
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Originally Posted by SamGan View Post
Nokia innovation? They can innovate on the casing for WP now. That's what left of Nokia innovation.
Innovative enough to prevent you from being able to replace the battery easily. Still, didn't Apple already pioneer that long ago?
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