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2011-09-09 , 10:24
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
"lots of pictures"
Hey Dan, What happened with the phone?
 
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2011-09-09 , 11:37
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Oooo... also came across this... VERY fitting...

Microsoft’s Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo – Hijacks Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits
http://techrights.org/2011/05/04/ste...hard-belluzzo/

Even the banner is a bucket of win:
/me like Elop he is the best person for Nokia EVER!

thats for sure. Ask ericsson and abill_uk they agree...
 
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2011-09-09 , 11:49
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Yes, I know. I have written two applications myself. Even after many hours of tweaking and banging my head against a brick wall, I couldn't get cuteTube running on Symbian in a satisfactory way.

The hype doesn't match the reality. Try developing applications for multiple Nokia platforms, and you will see this for yourself. That's why we haven't seen all those Symbian Qt applications ported to Maemo 5, and vice versa. Even with Qt Components, there are still significant changes that need to be made to the UI code to target more than one platform. That's before you even come up against any Qt bugs and platform-specific workarounds.
I guess for the video-streaming Qt wasn't enough. Apart from that if UI, screen resolution, hardware would be the same on symbian, what kind of difficulties would have remained?
 
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2011-09-09 , 11:56
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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
Yes, I know. I have written two applications myself. Even after many hours of tweaking and banging my head against a brick wall, I couldn't get cuteTube running on Symbian in a satisfactory way.

The hype doesn't match the reality. Try developing applications for multiple Nokia platforms, and you will see this for yourself. That's why we haven't seen all those Symbian Qt applications ported to Maemo 5, and vice versa. Even with Qt Components, there are still significant changes that need to be made to the UI code to target more than one platform. That's before you even come up against any Qt bugs and platform-specific workarounds.
You actually totally forget that full Qt with qt-component support was not introduced officially until recently in Symbian (Belle).

So this may very well change. But there is some differences in qt-components and qt-component for symbian but they will also merge.

Its way easier to do crossplatform now than for a year ago. When symbian still used its own crap API and Fremantle was using gtk+

And in case of OSS applications we will probadly see alot of new Harmattan apps backported to Maemo5/Meego1.3CE because now we have same Qt version in fremantle as Harmattan and qt-component.
 

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2011-09-09 , 11:59
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Originally Posted by Stonik View Post
If Nokia is smart enough, they will use Harmattan and rebrand it as something else (NokiaOS?) to replace S40. Swipe UX, Qt Next Billion and touchscreen only 1 GHz devices - just like N9 today.

If this is as obvious as it seems (or I hope), Nokia finally has a truly winning strategy. All hail the new Linux-based S40 with Qt and Swipe.
To a certain degree that is somewhat considerable scenario -- if we are talking about Qt and, perhaps, some low-level system software. I really hope experience gathered through Harmattan development -- on all levels -- would be reused for future S40 devices regardless of what OS will be there. In many companies one of devastating syndromes is called NIH (not invented here) and is as applicable to whole companies as to smaller business units inside them.
 

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2011-09-09 , 12:19
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The 3 homescreens and almost all of the bundled apps are written in MTF. This is a fact, at least in the old June firmware, and I much doubt they've rewritten all of that since.

It is easy to check, since there are some keyboard shortcuts to debug visual aspects that only work on MTF applications.
Ok, as MTF is built on top of QGraphicsView there shouldn't be any problem with platform independency. But maybe there is some more functionality in there.
 
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2011-09-09 , 12:44
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Random Readings

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...o-spin-off.ars

Why don't the MeeGo folk collaborate more with the PlasmaActive folk, seems like a no-brainer?
http://www.layt.net/john/blog/odysse..._fun_and_games

Simple example of alt. video player (phonon based) using QML
http://kunalmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/...-from-qml.html
We'll need something more substantive than this, if it's to replace the built-in one though

One devs experience with porting his Qt (Maemo5) app to Harmattan
http://kunalmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/...harmattan.html

Qt SDK keeps getting better, with the 1.1.3 release
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Commu...e-for-download

Nokia Ovi store apps downloaded 160% more than iOS apps --title's somewhat misleading :-)
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/07/no...than-ios-apps/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/e...r-or-november/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/h...owned-patents/

For those still bitter about not having qwerty, not that impressive overall compared to N9 IMO
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/l...dual-core-teg/
Only impressive aspect seems to be the dual-core, but that's still not hugely advantageous in RW use.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/08/a...ad-patent-vio/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/08/droid-bionic-review/

http://arstechnica.com/business/news...-next-week.ars

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...an-upgrade.ars
 

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2011-09-09 , 13:39
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Very interesting speech by Marko Ahtisaari on the design of the N9



I really hope it does function as good and simple as Nokia claims and that they can work out any bugs in the software.
The N9 seems to me (by far) the most interesting new phone on the market!
It is very interesting to see that the Human Interaction design of the N9 is so radically different from the N900. Since that is in many ways the defining aspect of a mobile phone/computer, I don't really think you can call the N9 a successor to the N900.

A shame the device will probably be relatively expensive (480-620 euro range including taxes according to some online reports).
With a new iPhone on the way and probably also a cheaper iPhone model for the masses, and a huge array of new Android devices, Nokia will have a hard time convincing people that the new Nokia interface is worth 30% - 50% extra in price compared to the competition that have the advantage of a huge application ecosystem.

So that leaves the a small group of Mobile phone enthusiasts interested in the new design and hopefully a small group of linux fans, since it still is a lot more like a full Linux desktop distribution than any other linux mobile phone platform (Android, WebOS, Bada etc. etc.)
But the capabilities of iPhone and Android have grown remarkably in the last two years, while Harmattan seems to have been mostly focused on simplifying the interface.
 

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2011-09-09 , 14:23
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Originally Posted by afaq View Post
is it me or does all this Nokia love for swipe smell like webOS to anyone else? I think its a great innovation but do Nokia deserve all the credit?

I find myself more and more attracted to the pre3. Something about dead OS's that I can't resist.
i know...have one HP Touchpad and 1 on order and am looking at a Veer for tethering...

WebOS and then my N900...we should all start our own forum
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Are we there dead yet?
 

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