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	ysss	2010-06-23 , 18:33
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@gerbick: thanks, I think I will order mine as soon as there's confirmed jailbreak for it

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gerbick	2010-06-23 , 18:41
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Originally Posted by ysss

@gerbick: thanks, I think I will order mine as soon as there's confirmed jailbreak for it

Order now then. I can tell you right now it worked on my 3GS, and I'll confirm tomorrow if it works on the iPhone 4.

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	Dave999	2010-06-23 , 18:43
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Thx I will never buy the iphone. Think the device looks boring. But always intressting to see what other vendors are up to.

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	ysss	2010-06-23 , 18:44
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@gerbick: I heard pwnage 4.0 only works with the older bootrom? That's my main holdup, because I need to be able to unlock the iPhone for int'l roaming.

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gerbick	2010-06-23 , 18:47
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I've heard mixed reports, ysss. I meant to link to a totally different article.

Heh... that's why we got the things in the first place. There's a build of Pwnage Tool that's been lingering around that supposedly jailbreaks the newest bootROM. But I'll double check it tomorrow. Let's see.

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Laughing Man	2010-06-23 , 20:07
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Originally Posted by gerbick

The battery? I'll say it now. 38 hour my ***. No way. Just after using a few apps, photos, video editing, calls and browsing the web and using (what they call multi-tasking, which, isn't bad, but it's not TRUE multi-tasking) I dropped it a solid 10% from 97% to 87% in an hour or so.

But I'm willing to bet that it would last a full work day. Idle, a full day plus. But 38 hours? Nope. Will not believe that at all.

That's not surprising. But at least you have multi-tasking now. I've always been of the belief that let the user make the decisions. If they want to multi-task and drain the battery, let them. If they want to install devel apps, let them (after a bit of a warning).

Another metric I always wondered about is talk time. I don't give a **** about how long I can talk on the phone. Give me an estimated time that I can use the data connection. What I said goes for all companies and products out there.

Originally Posted by gerbick

That makes way too much sense and grants users too much control. Steve isn't having any of that!

Yeah, that is pretty much the main reason I will never buy an iPhone. But I'll use one if it's given to me for free or as a gift. Probably jailbreak and tether it to the N900 and use it for some apps I want on the N900 (shazam, and some AR location apps).

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wmarone	2010-06-23 , 20:12
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man

That's not surprising. But at least you have multi-tasking now. I've always been of the belief that let the user make the decisions. If they want to multi-task and drain the battery, let them. If they want to install devel apps, let them (after a bit of a warning).

Multi-tasking in the iPhone world is a very, very controlled event and you have to pass muster with Apple before they'll let your program do it. Nowhere near the degree you get with the N900.

That said, the user should always have the option of deciding which, and how, programs run in the background. I'd like an adaptation of the Grand Central system on MeeGo, with some options for fine-grained user control.

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Cue	2010-06-23 , 20:20
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Last I checked, metal makes a great antenna. And having the 3G antenna being exposed and not buried inside and hidden behind metal, glass, plastic, circuitry... is also a good thing. I'd have to say the burden of proof otherwise is what you'd have to show me there... it's on you.

Yes, it is. Played with one all day today actually. I'm in the US, btw.

Not of the Galaxy, which isn't out yet. Specs for the ppi (pixels per inch) hasn't come out for the Super AMOLED yet. I'm sure it'll come out soon in all markets by the end of this month. Don't quote me there though - the North American announcement might end up different.

Silly or not, one thing is wrong with your equation in regards to what I have access too.

I can touch an iPhone 4 right now, while I cannot do the same for the Samsung Galaxy S. The comparison, as I've stated before, is inevitably going to happen.

Then we'll get to see just how much BS Jobs was pushing - which, isn't saying a lot since he BS's about pretty much everything already.

like I said, they have done a preview. engadget were in london, where any joe blogg can get their hands on a galaxy s right now.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/s...axy-s-preview/
they even mention the display its almost what the whole article is about.

Calling the iphone display the best display you can get on a phone yet not elaborating on the fact that they are talking about the US at this very specific time is like me saying I'm the fastest man there is and not mentioning I'm talking about those in my house at this present time. Frankly I wish they hadn't even laced the article with subjectivity touted as objectivity like they usually do with res/cap displays, but if they did, at least they could have given a shout out to super AMOLED when mentionng the "best" display.

as for the antenna I can't find you a link but touching an external antenna mostly destroys it. To quote somebody else on the iphone 4 antenna

"Depending on how the antenna is "loaded", the hand effect will impact the antenna "impedance" and create distortion in the radiating pattern. Furthermore, it seems that RX diversity is not supported, which is a key feature next generation smartphones shall have. Also, I wonder about polarization performance and its impact in mobile positioning for high speed packet data....we shall wait and see real life results... "

"anytime you change the way the signal propagates such as having a free and open air space around the antenna vs holding it with your hands changes the way the signal radiates from the antenna thus completely hosing tx and rx characteristics. Its going to been even worse than before."

so if they are indeed the antenna expect it to be even worse than the 3GS and the ipad which is known for poor wifi signal strength. I'm hoping it's not and jobs doesn't know anything about his product.
Plastic is mostly transparent to that frequency anyway so no it does not improve the signal if it's outside.

Perhaps our own maemo community RF expert can chime in here, I'm a theoretical physicists, but this isn't my field (pun not intended) and I'll be very interested in any more info.

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Cobra	2010-06-23 , 20:26
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Originally Posted by ysss

Why would you want a 12Mpx camera on a non-DSLR?
The filesizes will be considerably bigger (eats more storage, takes longer to send, takes longer to process, etc) with arguably no appreciable increase of quality. All cons and no pros.

why wouldnt you wnat a 12mpx camera?