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German SU-8W works fine with SFOS - including all ä, ö, ü. Only ß is a Problem, as far as I remember (I have to check tonight).
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2017-07-07
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Originally Posted by mosen
Sure
look at the bright side.
Using a non native Kbd a day, keeps Alzheimer away
Originally Posted by cy8aer
Doesn't matter
Where are which keys? http://www.daskeyboard.com/images/31...BmxqRw4yWw.jpg
. Once you have enough keys and know the keymap you're using, the key caps themselves (should) become irrelevant, anyway.
Originally Posted by cy8aer
The missing keys (mostly) affect the mapping of certain "additional" letters (from the English alphabet's standpoint) depending on the language. The BT keyboard in the IGG images has 10-10-9 (1st-2nd-3rd row) character keys, where some languages have 12-12-11 character keys. For writing fluently (say e.g. German, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish... others, too) you'd need maybe 11-11-9 character keys, at least.
Which keys will be affected?
You could use some logical key combos: Ü: Alt-U, Ö: Alt-O, Ä: Alt-A... (or maybe Fn instead of Alt or both, take your pick) but what to do with Å, then? In Finnish Å isn't really used, except Finnish & Swedish share the same layout and Å is pretty relevant in Swedish. So it's not so obvious in all cases and I don't think other languages are that much easier with the given number of keys on the BT keyboard.
TL;DR: As I have no idea how some "special" characters are mapped with the IGG BT keyboard in SFOS, I was wondering if the keyboard still remains usable in other languages for mails/note taking/etc. ATM, my rough guess is "not very" (but this is not to blame chenlianghen or the Youyota team, for that matter). FWIW, in terminal/SSH/(light) coding use I'm sure the US-QWERTY keymap in question will do just fine.
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2017-07-07
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For me it would be more interesting if an Alt-Tab will work for switching between applications (like on desktop and android).
But this is more an os problem.
But this is more an os problem.
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2017-07-07
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Originally Posted by chenliangchen
Who sent you on Earth? Do you come from a civilization in a distant solar system to save primitive humans from their dark fate, or have you been sent by the gods to show the path of redemption to us, mere mortals? In eons, the children of men will remember three people whose action have impacted the universe: Stephen Elop, Elon Musk, and Chenliangchen.
Yes revive N950/Lauta is my plan this year.
The cost of making a decent keyboard phone is so high and I'm doing it step by step:
- Sliding part is the most difficult and expensive part of the hardware. A good moulding costs very very high. But I can re-use the Moto Mods sliding part and make minor modification to the toolings I can greatly reduce the cost.
- Hopefully with this tablet's collaboration with Jolla I will have a better understanding regarding time and cost for OS adaptation.
- The next most difficult bit is Qualcomm SoC solution, they are soooo expensive. I'm looking for a more cost-effective solution to that at the moment. I'm not targeting at MSM8997 or those flagship chipsets - they add unnecessary cost to the customer and it's a waste of CPU power. I'm looking more towards mid-tier like 625/626 which gives a better balance between power consumption and performance. But even though it's still very expensive to get a decent solution.
Once the Keyboard Mod starts shipping and the tablet starts manufacturing I will look more into the cost, it's still very challenge but I'm confident. My aim is to have a 64GB+4GB Qualcomm 625 solution QWERTY slider with a removable battery, we will see how it goes in a few weeks.
If you manage to revive the Lauta concept, you can sign me in for two devices already.
Do you plan on having some kind of official Jolla partnership (and therefore Alien Dalvik), or would it be a community-ported device?
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2017-07-07
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Originally Posted by cy8aer
That works on TOHKBD so it should work with this keyboard too.
For me it would be more interesting if an Alt-Tab will work for switching between applications (like on desktop and android).
But this is more an os problem.
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2017-07-07
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Originally Posted by cy8aer
There is a working Alt+Tab feature with the tohkbd from Dirkvl, software being developped by Kimmoli I think. I have not used my Jolla (not Jolla C) in a long time so I am not sure whether it is still maintained, but I think the project and software were open source, so it would be great if the integration of the Youyota keyboard could take advantage of it.
For me it would be more interesting if an Alt-Tab will work for switching between applications (like on desktop and android).
But this is more an os problem.
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2017-07-07
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
this is the feature of tohkbd daemon, so you need to write own daemon for other kinds of keyboards
That works on TOHKBD so it should work with this keyboard too.
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2017-07-07
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As a great fan of USB type-C for many years now I had no idea I'd still be dependent on micro-USB in the years ahead (2017, 2018, 2019).
Thanks, YouYota/ExperiaX!
Thanks, YouYota/ExperiaX!
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Originally Posted by coderus
Ugh, annoying. Jolla could easily build something like this into the OS - if you guys want it, ask for it and they might include it in the next release!
this is the feature of tohkbd daemon, so you need to write own daemon for other kinds of keyboards
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See this thread for example:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...yboard-layout/
I have a (still working) Nokia SU-8W BT keyboard. german layout. Nokia used a very exotic layout that relies on an additional Fn-key to produce even basic symbols (like numbers or @).
Additionally, I'd like to be able to map special characters of foreign languages I currently learn to certain AltGr-combinations.
I wouldn't know how to configure that with SailfishOS. SailfishOS offers me a choice of standard layouts for BT keyboards, but they don't fit.
If we find such a way to feely re-map BT keyboards, using English QWERTY for German, for example, might not be such an issue. You could re-map Z/Y, put öäüß to AltGr-oaus, respectively, and leave the rest unchanged. I would feel comfortable with such a solution.