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2007-10-27
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I'm terribly sorry YoDude. I didn't realize that baiting ME was the purpose of the thread. I'll bow to your superior wisdom and avoid asking further questions. 
EDIT: you do realize I wasn't addressing you... right?
Last edited by Texrat; 2007-10-27 at 04:05.
EDIT: you do realize I wasn't addressing you... right?
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Last edited by Texrat; 2007-10-27 at 04:05.
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2007-10-27
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Originally Posted by Hedgecore
Oops... missed this one Hedgie, sorry.
Tex: Apple liberal!? Nokia conservative!?
One of them lets you run unsigned code on their devices.
I'm referring to promotional styles only.
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2007-10-27
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Originally Posted by anidel
You're so right! I'll never understand why people are so obsessed by the idea it "should be a phone". They all seem to assume potential tablet-owners dont have cell phones already and the big drawback is they need to buy 2 devices.
MI like to have a phone to make calls and act as modem when needed and the tablet for everything else.
The key is the screen. To make calls you don't need a huge screen. But you probably want to carry your cellphone almost everywhere, almost always (Saturday nights with friends, for example).
But you do want a larger, crisp screen to surf the web, to guide you with clear directions and bla bla that you can carry in the backpack (that you might not want to carry when going out with friends).
You simply can't have both. Or if you do, you have to sacrifice something: screen for the N95, GSM with the tablet. And you can try to help in both cases (zooming and panning in the N95, VoIP calls on the tablet). Kudos to Nokia for providing both. Apple got it too: they're planning a new PDA. The real IT competitor.
We'll see.
In real life, people do have cell phones already (most of the people I know have at least two). Putting all the phone stuff into the tablet wouldnt come for free: it would increase size and cost. I dont see any advantage in forcing people to buy yet another cell phone (because its built in) when all they want is an internet device.
Only if the tablet series one day will have 3, 4 or 5 up-to-date models (like the N800 and N810 now) that are sold with slightly different configurations I could imagine one of these models to include a phone; there might be customers who really happen to need a new phone at the same time they buy a tablet, so this would be for them.
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2007-10-27
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Actually, I don't expect there to be different models. It would probably be more expensive to assemble different models, then to just include a cellphone capabilities in each model. If you don't want to use it as a cell-phone, then just do not insert a sim card.
I actually suspect that nokia didn't include cell capabilities in the tablets, because it would upset the carriers too much. Think about it, there are hardly any devices around which allow you to make VOIP calls and cell calls. In fact there are numerous cases when the carriers block the usage of skype and others on the phones. With the current tablets, anybody who owns it would still have to carry around a cell, so it won't upset anybody. If the VOIP/cell combination becomes more mature, then nokia will have one of the best devices around with the N900 and a mature platform (maemo).
I for one understand very well that people want it to be a phone as well, because why shouldn't it be a phone! Of course everybody has a cell, but if the N800 could make cell calls, I'd ditch my cell straight away. Probably only taking it with me when going out at night.
I actually suspect that nokia didn't include cell capabilities in the tablets, because it would upset the carriers too much. Think about it, there are hardly any devices around which allow you to make VOIP calls and cell calls. In fact there are numerous cases when the carriers block the usage of skype and others on the phones. With the current tablets, anybody who owns it would still have to carry around a cell, so it won't upset anybody. If the VOIP/cell combination becomes more mature, then nokia will have one of the best devices around with the N900 and a mature platform (maemo).
I for one understand very well that people want it to be a phone as well, because why shouldn't it be a phone! Of course everybody has a cell, but if the N800 could make cell calls, I'd ditch my cell straight away. Probably only taking it with me when going out at night.
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2007-10-27
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Originally Posted by benny1967
You're so right! I'll never understand why people are so obsessed by the idea it "should be a phone". They all seem to assume potential tablet-owners dont have cell phones already and the big drawback is they need to buy 2 devices.
In real life, people do have cell phones already (most of the people I know have at least two). Putting all the phone stuff into the tablet wouldnt come for free: it would increase size and cost. I dont see any advantage in forcing people to buy yet another cell phone (because its built in) when all they want is an internet device.
Only if the tablet series one day will have 3, 4 or 5 up-to-date models (like the N800 and N810 now) that are sold with slightly different configurations I could imagine one of these models to include a phone; there might be customers who really happen to need a new phone at the same time they buy a tablet, so this would be for them.
... and a lot of this has to do with the US market that ties cell phones to 2 year service contracts. Why buy a tablet that is tied to a carrier?
Leaving a cell phone out will allow a cell phone to be just a cell phone again. I would love a small form factor, rugged, water resistant phone with BT that seamlessly allows me to connect to a data network when I'm carrying a tablet, and is also small enough not to be intrusive when I'm not.
There are plenty of activities that do not require the features of the tablet (or a bulky smart phone) but would be safer, easier, more convenient if a cell phone was available.
BTW benny1967, thanks for continuing this discussion.
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Speaking of small form factors...
>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/26/s...lphone-hybrid/
Maybe not a realistic solution but another example of alternative thinking...
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2007-10-27
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Originally Posted by Fadsjeik
There already are 2 models: N800 and N810.
Actually, I don't expect there to be different models. It would probably be more expensive to assemble different models,....
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2007-10-27
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Sure, they have different hardware, but the basis is the same (screen, wifi, processor, bluetooth). So what I meant was that if there were to be cell functionality integrated into the tablets one day, then it would probably be in all tablets, because it would most likely be a feature that is embedded in the basis. To manufacture ITs with different basic components would probably be too expensive.
There already are 2 models: N800 and N810.
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2007-10-27
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Adding GPS or GSM components is likely to involve the same amount of effort by Nokia. Just my 2p.
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2007-10-27
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Originally Posted by Fadsjeik
A Sprint WiMax version of n810 is coming very soon.
Sure, they have different hardware, but the basis is the same (screen, wifi, processor, bluetooth). So what I meant was that if there were to be cell functionality integrated into the tablets one day, then it would probably be in all tablets, because it would most likely be a feature that is embedded in the basis. To manufacture ITs with different basic components would probably be too expensive.
However I don't understand the rational of putting a cell radio in the tablet. I can turn on the eithering to my EVDO phone in 5-10 seconds. It takes longer to bootup the tablet then its to connect to your cellphone's internet.
Boy, I feel dumb...
I didn't realize that continuing a flame war and adding no additional information to the topic at hand was the purpose of this thread...
I'll just be quiet now...