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2008-06-02
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Uhoh, I think we have a bipolar user! But anyway, your posts are quite entertaining. I don't suppose that an ip address conflict is possible at home. Anyway, good luck and don't eat too much of the McDonald's food!
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2008-06-02
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Well here is my first podcast about the Nokia N810.
In two parts:
Part 1: http://media.libsyn.com/media/whitokyo/R09_0001.MP3
Part 2: http://media.libsyn.com/media/whitokyo/R09_0002.MP3
These were uploaded via the N810 while at McDonad's.
More to come later about my fiasco while trying to get online from home.
In two parts:
Part 1: http://media.libsyn.com/media/whitokyo/R09_0001.MP3
Part 2: http://media.libsyn.com/media/whitokyo/R09_0002.MP3
These were uploaded via the N810 while at McDonad's.
More to come later about my fiasco while trying to get online from home.
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2008-06-02
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Hello Geneven,
I do have my ups and downs. I'm back home now posting from my PC. But I sure had fun at McDonald's and only drank coffee. Earlier I mentioned that I followed all of the advice given to me on this forum. Well that's not 100% true... I didn't follow Krisse's advice about using the tablet on an open wi-fi connection? Well today I did and it showed me that the N810 is perfect and something's wrong with my FON router setup.
I do have my ups and downs. I'm back home now posting from my PC. But I sure had fun at McDonald's and only drank coffee. Earlier I mentioned that I followed all of the advice given to me on this forum. Well that's not 100% true... I didn't follow Krisse's advice about using the tablet on an open wi-fi connection? Well today I did and it showed me that the N810 is perfect and something's wrong with my FON router setup.
Originally Posted by geneven
Uhoh, I think we have a bipolar user! But anyway, your posts are quite entertaining. I don't suppose that an ip address conflict is possible at home. Anyway, good luck and don't eat too much of the McDonald's food!
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2008-06-02
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Hello gshocker, as you can read fin my other posts my N810 is fine, but I'm having trouble getting it working with the FON router in my home. I got online from McDonalds today but that was via Yahoo BB. I have to track down an outside FON access point and see if my N810 can get online via that. If so, that will definitely point to my home FON router configuration as the culprit. Tomorrow I'll drill down into my router settings befor I head out to look for an outside FON access point.
Originally Posted by gshocker
Congrats on your new unit. Mine just came in the mail yesterday as well but unlike you I had to get it going the second I got it in the door. So far this is a great device. I have been trying out all kinds of apps and this I think will certainly replace my Samsung Q1 UMPC. This fits my needs better than waiting for the Q1 to boot.
I have also been looking into the Fon service as I will be in Tokyo for a few weeks next month and it looks like there is decent coverage there. I will be interested to hear how your experiance is with that service.
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2008-06-02
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Tokyo Dan, I thought you were using a phone to connect your tablet?
If you're using a FON Wi-Fi router, it might be worth posting about your problems on the FON support forums. They would probably be able to help you with any settings issues.
From what I understand FON has an unusual way of authorising people to access its Fonera routers, and this may be what is causing the problems.
One thing you might want to try is using a normal wi-fi router on your broadband connection (if you have one or can borrow one). If the tablet works with a normal router on your home connection, that too would point to a problem with the Fonera.
Last edited by krisse; 2008-06-02 at 13:35.
If you're using a FON Wi-Fi router, it might be worth posting about your problems on the FON support forums. They would probably be able to help you with any settings issues.
From what I understand FON has an unusual way of authorising people to access its Fonera routers, and this may be what is causing the problems.
One thing you might want to try is using a normal wi-fi router on your broadband connection (if you have one or can borrow one). If the tablet works with a normal router on your home connection, that too would point to a problem with the Fonera.
Last edited by krisse; 2008-06-02 at 13:35.
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2008-06-02
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Originally Posted by krisse
There's an existing thread there that may be of some interest. It appears FON routers don't support power save mode, which the Nokia Internet Tablets (and other devices) use to conserve battery power.
If you're using a FON Wi-Fi router, it might be worth posting about your problems on the FON support forums. They would probably be able to help you with any settings issues.
The issue has been discussed in these fora previously.
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2008-06-02
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
I was just going to post something similar!
There's an existing thread there that may be of some interest. It appears FON routers don't support power save mode, which the Nokia Internet Tablets (and other devices) use to conserve battery power.
The issue has been discussed in these fora previously.
Basically, the N800 and N810 are compatible with practically all routers but not the FON router.
As Sjgadsby said, this is because the tablets (and some other portable devices) use a power-saving Wi-Fi mode which greatly extends battery life and works with almost all routers, even cheap clones, but not with FON Foneras.
Apparently some Dell laptops have exactly the same problem with Foneras, they won't work because the Foneras don't support power-saving Wi-Fi.
FON won't change their Fonera hardware or firmware, so they're effectively shutting the tablets and certain laptops out of the network.
There IS a slightly complicated way to make your tablet work with a Fonera, but because it shuts off the power-saving it means the tablet's battery life will be worse than before. One user in the ITT thread link above says that turning off power-saving cuts the Wi-Fi usage time from 9 hours to 3 hours!
As the Fon forum thread says, you could blame one or many companies for this, but IMHO it's FON that should alter their hardware because it would allow a greater number of people to access their network without compromising battery life.
At present the choice is FON-compatibility or MUCH longer battery life, which is a silly situation to put FON users in.
Last edited by krisse; 2008-06-02 at 14:38.
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2008-06-02
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Hello krisse
I posted on the FON forum. Here's the thread:
http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?...p=30152#p30152
I posted on the FON forum. Here's the thread:
http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?...p=30152#p30152
Originally Posted by krisse
Tokyo Dan, I thought you were using a phone to connect your tablet?
If you're using a FON Wi-Fi router, it might be worth posting about your problems on the FON support forums. They would probably be able to help you with any settings issues.
From what I understand FON has an unusual way of authorising people to access its Fonera routers, and this may be what is causing the problems.
One thing you might want to try is using a normal wi-fi router on your broadband connection (if you have one or can borrow one). If the tablet works with a normal router on your home connection, that too would point to a problem with the Fonera.
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2008-06-02
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I wonder if FON will give my money back when I return the router? Well I will try to bring the power of podcasting and social networking down on the FON people if they don't. The only reason I bought the FON is to be able to use my N810 widely around Tokyo. What is the "slightly complicated way to make your tablet work with a Fonera"?
Does anybody know if Apple's wireless routers have any problems with the Nokia N810.
And thanks to all of you guys for your help with my learning to use the N810, and not to mention putting up with my emotional jumping to conclusions and blaming the wonderful little N810.
Does anybody know if Apple's wireless routers have any problems with the Nokia N810.
And thanks to all of you guys for your help with my learning to use the N810, and not to mention putting up with my emotional jumping to conclusions and blaming the wonderful little N810.
Originally Posted by krisse
I was just going to post something similar!
Basically, the N800 and N810 are compatible with practically all routers but not the FON router.
As Sjgadsby said, this is because the tablets (and some other portable devices) use a power-saving Wi-Fi mode which greatly extends battery life and works with almost all routers, even cheap clones, but not with FON Foneras.
Apparently some Dell laptops have exactly the same problem with Foneras, they won't work because the Foneras don't support power-saving Wi-Fi.
FON won't change their Fonera hardware or firmware, so they're effectively shutting the tablets and certain laptops out of the network.
There IS a slightly complicated way to make your tablet work with a Fonera, but because it shuts off the power-saving it means the tablet's battery life will be worse than before. One user in the ITT thread link above says that turning off power-saving cuts the Wi-Fi usage time from 9 hours to 3 hours!
As the Fon forum thread says, you could blame one or many companies for this, but IMHO it's FON that should alter their hardware because it would allow a greater number of people to access their network without compromising battery life.
At present the choice is FON-compatibility or MUCH longer battery life, which is a silly situation to put FON users in.
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2008-06-02
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Originally Posted by TokyoDan
That's not the only thing that worries me about FON.
I wonder if FON will give my money back when I return the router? Well I will try to bring the power of podcasting and social networking down on the FON people if they don't.
If someone does something illegal through your Fonera, for example downloads info on bomb making or something, it will be traced by the police to your IP address.
It's unclear what would happen in legal terms in that situation, and as far as I know FON has refused to say whether they will help you out should you face prosecution.
In theory all Fonera network users are traceable, but there have been quite a few demonstrations of how people can use the network without revealing their true identity. If that happens, the police would only have you as their lead, and some police forces seem to want to prosecute people whether they're guilty or not.
The only reason I bought the FON is to be able to use my N810 widely around Tokyo. What is the "slightly complicated way to make your tablet work with a Fonera"?
Does anybody know if Apple's wireless routers have any problems with the Nokia N810.
However, I personally try to stick to generic routers which aren't designed by any particular computer manufacturer. I've used three no-brand routers so far, all of them the cheapest in the shop, and they all worked fine with the tablets.
And thanks to all of you guys for your help with my learning to use the N810, and not to mention putting up with my emotional jumping to conclusions and blaming the wonderful little N810.
I think it's probably due to traumatic experiences opening Christmas or Birthday presents and finding they're either broken or don't have the right kind of batteries.
