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2009-08-04 , 11:16
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@YoDude: Yes. If I were them, I'd prefer to have a bunch of HUGELY PROFITABLE one trick ponies. This way they occupy unique market spaces and will have little chance of muddling each other.

I'm not sure what sweet spot you're talking about, as it hasn't struck any chords with the market except for a niche developer crowd that only seems to care to develop for their own need. Why would Nokia want to cater to them or listen to their suggestions if all they care about is themselves?

Re: tetherable bt wifi donglicious thingamajig: yes, that's what you want. I want them too, but you should think from their point of view to see the viability of such device and how to properly market it.

Ink jet cartridges..? really?
Have you compared the prices for iphone apps with other commercial mobile platforms (palm, blackberry, winmo\winpho)? I think they're the cheapest around and they've managed to do this because of the sheer quantity and the rather efficient AppStore.

Commoditization of the products can only happen when the market is big enough and knowledgeable enough to piece them apart... and if there's enough saving by going with that route. Right now it's 0 out 3.
 
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2009-08-04 , 11:32
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I appreciate your optimism, but you've never owned a cell phone. There are powerful forces that control the airwaves, and those of us that are in tech and have had cell phones for over a decade feel those forces. They're not relenting.
Classic telephony (calls, SMS, fax) is constantly losing relevancy to IP-based communications. Since most operators already accept non-phone 3G devices on their networks, the blurring of line between computers and mobile phones will eventually relinquish the control that has held the mobile market back for so long time.

At least I sincerely hope this will happen
 
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2009-08-04 , 11:39
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While this sounds very good and optimistic, I don't see what a new hardware and a new (already existing) software stack is going to do to upend the market ? Really QT has been there before (used in other phones/PDA's too (like Trolltech Greenphone conceptphone) and Zaurus (in Qtopia form) - and none of these bring anything that turns the market on its head .
Neither of those had the width of offerings and marketing muscle of Nokia behind them. Individual, small-market devices are not so interesting to most developers, which is exactly the problem Maemo has at the moment, though a bit alleviated by Maemo's appeal to free software developers.

If the biggest cell phone vendor in the world suddenly ships Qt with all their phones the situation is quite different
 
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2009-08-04 , 11:41
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As the US has gone, so will go the rest of the world eventually.
The world has traditionally used quite different cell phones than the US. The world also drives quite different cars than the US. Soft drinks are the same, though

But who knows, smartphones are still a quite new market, so the culture associated with it hasn't had the chance to become established or regionalize.
 
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Qt has also changed a lot since these devices were out, especially with Qt4 - which apart from being GPL is designed to be used on mobile devices I hear.
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A LOT cheaper and a LOT more future-proof than building two separate devices.
Oh ********. Modularity is never cheaper (nor is it smaller).
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The world has traditionally used quite different cell phones than the US. The world also drives quite different cars than the US. Soft drinks are the same, though

But who knows, smartphones are still a quite new market, so the culture associated with it hasn't had the chance to become established or regionalize.
What makes me wonder what's happening with Nokia, is that they were already there ten years ago. In 1999 I was already browsing the full internet (not wap) with my Nokia phone, and doing telnet and ftp.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communicator

So, smartphone are a new market in the US, but an old idea from Suomi
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
A LOT cheaper and a LOT more future-proof than building two separate devices.
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Oh ********. Modularity is never cheaper (nor is it smaller).
Nor is it Future Proof in any way !

I had the Zaurus with a CF card slot to support CF Memory, CF Wifi, CF Bluetooth, CF ethernet , CF Camera, CF Coffee cup warmer etc.. (ok not the last one).

Now my two CF cards (Wifi, BT) are rotting away in my Tech dump basket (any takers ?)
 

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Now my two CF cards (Wifi, BT) are rotting away in my Tech dump basket (any takers ?)
Thanks, but my desk drawer contains a CF WiFi card already: the one from my HandEra 330.
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At least I sincerely hope this will happen
Well, if anyone wanted modern proof why monopolies and corporate welfare are bad, look no further than the U.S. I actually think these guys could get blood from a turnip.
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