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2009-09-05 , 12:59
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Luca: Oy, that's like double dipping. They should have one or the other, not both.
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2009-09-05 , 13:31
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Luca: Oy, that's like double dipping. They should have one or the other, not both.
That's the price you pay for free universal healthcare, free education up to PhD, and relatively comprehensive social security.
 

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That's the price you pay for free universal healthcare, free education up to PhD, and relatively comprehensive social security.
Yes, in fact I'm not complaining, I was just stating the facts.
Now, if only they spent the money more wisely....but that's off-topic here
 
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2009-09-05 , 22:11
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....Once there were enough transmitters in a given area, the amount of data being pushed over fixed land lines would drop to zero and everything would be bounced back and forth between all the towers in the area in a true internet web.
If everyone just opened up their wifi router, we wouldn't even need transmitters, towers, etc. Anything the wireless carriers provide you, you can do over the net. There are some issues like transparent handovers, but I'm sure people can make software to work around it.

There were some startups back in the day that were going to give wifi routers to everyone so you can sell your bandwidth and people would be able to access the net from everywhere. Whatever happened to those?
 
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that whole open source GSM loosely follows a design by a friend of mine for wireless internet access points using a system called hyperband. Once there were enough transmitters in a given area, the amount of data being pushed over fixed land lines would drop to zero and everything would be bounced back and forth between all the towers in the area in a true internet web. You could even bounce radio, cellular, and digital tv over the antennas the way they were designed. It was really cool.

But leave it to the nasty monopolies to kill his idea dead in its tracks. He had the whole system up and running way back in the 80's and was pushing speeds we'd consider ridiculous even today. But the reason the monopolies killed it dead (well, they didn't actually "kill" it persay, but rather gave him some very "strongly" worded recommendations that he not release it, ever, priod. So he's sat on it since.) or at the very least, stopped it cold in its tracks, is because it could very quickly render all the major internet, telephone and media transmission companies (local cable companies, Dish, XM Radio, etc) obsolete. In fact, it would have buried a LOT of companies we require today to get our fill of goodies.

So given that simple fact, don't expect to see it here anytime soon. My friend has the money to fight the big boys, but until people are properly sick and tired of being ripped off, gouged and pushed around, he's not going to whip it out of the closet. He wants to wait until the public support will be there for him. Throwing money at a problem and winning is one thing. Doing it with the full support of the public is something entirely different. That's like evicting someone by burning down their house while they're still in it.

PS, if a Nokia rep is reading this, don't panic, you guys won't get obsolesced by the technology, as I know my friend will help you guys make the leap to the new tech. It's AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, UUnet, AOL, Comcast, Dish Network, and all those kinda guys who have something to sweat about.
I love these "I know this one guy who could render the whole ____ industry obsolete with his disruptive technology but won't because [insert obscure conspiracy theory about the 'nasty monopolies' here].... it's a simple fact" kinds of reports. They used to only be about the automotive/petroleum industry, but now we can add cellular to the list... Thanks for sharing.
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Well, that "never gonna see it because big ugly monopoly crushed it" thing is in every industry.
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Originally Posted by ioioio View Post
If everyone just opened up their wifi router, we wouldn't even need transmitters, towers, etc. Anything the wireless carriers provide you, you can do over the net. There are some issues like transparent handovers, but I'm sure people can make software to work around it.

There were some startups back in the day that were going to give wifi routers to everyone so you can sell your bandwidth and people would be able to access the net from everywhere. Whatever happened to those?
We would need those because WiFi doesn't support roaming and it doesn't provide as good coverage as 3G. As for what happened to those, you might like the FON principle.
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According to the EU law you mention and I linked you only get warranty from the seller, not the manufacturer (in turn the seller has the right to complain to the manufacturer). In practice the manufacturer almost ever will assume it, but that is not mandated by the law.
From a directive in 2002 (which should be implemented by now) we get one (1) year sales warranty, and two (2) years manufacturer warranty.

Aside from that, if your product suddenly explodes after 26 months (2 years and 2 months) you may still be able to get warranty because this does not fall in 'normal function of device'.

The joke is corporations like Dell and Apple believe they can legally only provide 1 year warranty with selling 2 years additional warranty while they're legally obliged to provide 2 years warranty. If you do business in EU you have to comply with EU law. Consumer rights organizations get a lot complaints about this, and they're both sued for this.

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THEN it will a shame they did not put us in the SELECTED countries... damn... about buying from EU? wont it be an issue in warranty, keyboard layout, and frequency?
In some EU countries they use standard QWERTY layout. However I don't know which countries exactly, I do know this is not the case for either Germany or Italy. You can always change the layout in software.

If you buy a Nokia device you get warranty from the country you bought it. If you buy a Nokia in Singapore you can get warranty from any Nokia shop in Singapore. Nokia makes exception in EU. A device bought in one EU country may get warranty in another EU country. However, from what I heard, Nokia UK only sells/ships to UK.

BTW in Nokia's case not everything is covered for 2 years by the warranty but the device is. IOW in EU you get 2 years of warranty on your Nokia N900 device.
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We would need those because WiFi doesn't support roaming and it doesn't provide as good coverage as 3G. As for what happened to those, you might like the FON principle.
and even if wifi supported roaming, there would be the issue of ipv4, as most wifi routers are NAT-ed these days, meaning you may well encounter the same ip on multiple connections (what roaming is, in a basic sense) and have no idea what connection to use.

hell, the whole internet infrastructure is built around the concept of fixed connections. that one can roam with a mobile phone today is just because your roaming within a single supplier so that they can attach a ip address at their end to whatever internal address your phone have, and make it seem to the net that your phone is always connected at that ip.

ones one start roaming multiple, non-synced networks, all that goes out the window, unless one have ipv6 and can allow every single device to have its own unique ip, and some very complicated routing tables (vs today where one can get away with reading just parts of a ip address, thanks to subnets).
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From a directive in 2002 (which should be implemented by now) we get one (1) year sales warranty, and two (2) years manufacturer warranty.
Can you provide a link?
 
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