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2009-11-30 , 03:18
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The thing for me is that when I look back at previous reorganizations of TMO, I can't really think of anything that was done that actually helped anything really. Kind of just felt like reorganizing the same office cubicles when maybe the solution is to tear down the walls... whatever that radical change would be here on TMO, I don't know.

That's what brainstorm's for.
 

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Originally Posted by Tintin View Post
I disagree with your points.

If what we are seeing now is the result of a recent revamp then I feel that the individuals involved in that must not have had the foresight to see the issues we are now faced with.

Also, that the current structure has not "gone on too long" is your opinion and I disagree with it. It has gone on too long and should be re-done sooner than later.

No offense meant but you have a tendency of writing things as if they were well established facts when they more often than not are just your own thoughts. And to hide behind 'what newcomers fail to see', 'most of us old timers', etc is getting relatively old.
What you fail to realize is that there was plenty of foresight but no escaping what I have patiently tried to explain before: the need is three dimensional. The format is only two. This means that subjects are actually matrixed, which is why tagging can and likely will work better than any reformat.

There is also no way of completely avoiding overlap between subjects. The best we can do is consider the predominance of posts and continually evaluate the need for adjustment or even reinvention. Note that I'm not opposed to either... but after having gone through this ordeal here already I'm personally a bit gun shy and see a great deal of value in proceeding with caution after significant thoughtful debate rather than reaction driven by an ill-formed sense of urgency.

As for my writing style, it tends to be objective, and the "well established facts" at play here are the knowns of having been there, done that and not "just my own thoughts". Conclusions based on those well-established facts, however, are my own.

No offense either, but I can't see how recent arrivals could have the necessary context to understand any hesitation for a revamp... unless of course they've been involved in forum design of this type and magnitude already.

Oh, and no one is hiding behind anything. That's your interpretation, and not the reality.

EDIT: emphasis added for clarity
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Ok, I give up.

If anyone knows of a maemo site/forum with a pre-N900 focus - do let me know since it's becoming apparent that there are enough people here willing to stop such a change (for whatever agenda they may have).
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Originally Posted by zerojay View Post
The thing for me is that when I look back at previous reorganizations of TMO, I can't really think of anything that was done that actually helped anything really. Kind of just felt like reorganizing the same office cubicles when maybe the solution is to tear down the walls... whatever that radical change would be here on TMO, I don't know.

That's what brainstorm's for.
I almost agree... and maybe you didn't intend to Jay but that partially proves my point.

We can rearrange the deck chairs of the Titannic all day, but once it's hit the ice berg, well...

Aagain, I'm not at all opposed to a revamp. I'm just concerned when I see words like "urgent" cast out so cavalierly. That sort of talk can lead to rash action.

Hey, it's just a forum anyway.
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Originally Posted by Tintin View Post
Ok, I give up.

If anyone knows of a pre-N900 site do let me know since it's becoming apparent that there are enough people here willing to stop such a change (for whatever agenda they may have).
Again you misinterpret the reactions.

1) Let's quit leaping to irrational conclusions
2) Let's Brainstorm over this
3) Let's leave emotions, namecalling, tantrums and rash judgment out of it
4) Let's try to come to some sort of reasoned consensus
5) If need be, let's change things

How is that opposition?

And agendas? Sigh. More conspiracy talk...
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Originally Posted by Tintin View Post
Ok, I give up.

If anyone knows of a maemo site/forum with a pre-N900 focus - do let me know since it's becoming apparent that there are enough people here willing to stop such a change (for whatever agenda they may have).
The problem with making a seperate forum with a pre-n900 focus is that your not going get any of the existing developers on there unless they're sticking only to the pre-n900 tablets. There are still applications or projects that are cross-platform (e.g. flipclock, dialcentral, easy Debian)

Splitting the forums into pre-n900 and n900 won't help because then the developers are going have to tend to two seperate topics for their applications and one of them isn't going get as much focus.

An enforced tagging system (e.g. it wouldn't allow threads without the tags) would allow people to see that this application is for n800/n810 and n900. But the resulting problem is that posts in that thread could range from n800/n810 to n900 and then everyone has to sift through those.
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An enforced tagging system (e.g. it wouldn't allow threads without the tags) would allow people to see that this application is for n800/n810 and n900. But the resulting problem is that posts in that thread could range from n800/n810 to n900 and then everyone has to sift through those.
Agreed. Tags are only half the solution: the other is filtering. With it, we have the three dimensional solution.
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I like the idea of mandatory tags and filters. I figure that means I could go through a checklist that would let me view all New Posts of everything that was not exclusively N900-oriented or Games-oriented -- right?

However, I do feel there is some urgency as pre-N900 is dying from drowning; I personally know of some members coming here much less often because of it, and I suspect there are more.

(OT: BTW, Reggie, I've really come to like the look of the post-InternetTabletTalk forum design. I miss the name "TabletTalk," but since your change to the more subdued orange, I've liked maemo.org visually.)
 
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I like the idea of mandatory tags and filters. I figure that means I could go through a checklist that would let me view all New Posts of everything that was not exclusively N900-oriented or Games-oriented -- right?
I would certainly hope so... but I don't know offhand if vBulletin supports that or not.
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I would certainly hope so... but I don't know offhand if vBulletin supports that or not.
I think restructuring could be avoided if the search function was improved. This could be done (assuming the software supports it) by allowing one to subscribe to specific forums for the New Post search, by allowing the advanced search to search with no keyword (which would allow the same thing as the previous suggestion), or by allowing the advanced search to recognize a 'not' function.
 

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