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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I tend to agree with you on this one. People should use more common sense and moral thinking than relying on bloated laws that only exist to prevent the next kid getting killed while doing 50 over the speed limit.
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I agree in principle with Laughing Man but add the caveat that "reckless driving" in and of itself is very vague and apparently difficult to prosecute. I know of dozens and dozens of people who have received tickets for all sorts of quantifiable reasons and not one who has received a reckless driving ticket-- despite knowing many who deserve it.
This is fine... then why did we need to make even more? and more? and make it more a convoluted mess with more loopholes than already exist??
Texting is, however, easily quantifiable. Yes, I'll grant you the prosecutorial hurdles... but if representatives of the law decide they need an example or two, well...
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I know quite a few people that have received a reckless driving ticket. Whether they deserved it or not is up for question.. most of the time it had to do with speed though. If you drive more than X over the speed limit it's a reck-driving ticket and not a speeding ticket.
I agree in principle with Laughing Man but add the caveat that "reckless driving" in and of itself is very vague and apparently difficult to prosecute. I know of dozens and dozens of people who have received tickets for all sorts of quantifiable reasons and not one who has received a reckless driving ticket-- despite knowing many who deserve it.
Texting is, however, easily quantifiable. Yes, I'll grant you the prosecutorial hurdles... but if representatives of the law decide they need an example or two, well...
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2009-12-22
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Actually.. wait... as I just re-read your thing Tex: You start by saying, "I agree in principal, but it's hard to prosecute." And then end with, "I agree prosecuting sucks, but.." (paraphrased)
So... both the law you think is inefficient, AND the law you're supporting.. have the same flaw? Help me out here..
So... both the law you think is inefficient, AND the law you're supporting.. have the same flaw? Help me out here..
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
And yet, if you pare our justice system down, you'll find that concept is the real core.
And this.. entire idea.. just scares the hell out of me. "Making Examples" of people just leads to bad juju.
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
That isn't what I said. Read again please.
Actually.. wait... as I just re-read your thing Tex: You start by saying, "I agree in principal, but it's hard to prosecute." And then end with, "I agree prosecuting sucks, but.." (paraphrased)
So... both the law you think is inefficient, AND the law you're supporting.. have the same flaw? Help me out here..
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by Texrat
And with this.. we are at an impasse. I have no further argument as we have ended at the same agreement...
And yet, if you pare our justice system down, you'll find that concept is the real core.
It's just - you appear to accept this reality, and I abhor it. This is not the way things should be done. Do I have a better way? No, not really... Just with how much of an epic fail this one is.. I know there has to be one.
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Hrm.. I guess I'm missing something. I'm certainly not saying you presented it wrong - but I'm not seeing it. Since paraphrasing didnt work.. your exact quotes:
That isn't what I said. Read again please.
"reckless driving" in and of itself is very vague and apparently difficult to prosecute. "
Followed immediately by..
"Yes, I'll grant you the prosecutorial hurdles..."
These two statements sound very much like a "TomAto, TomOto" phrase. The only clarification you add is that you think Texting is more quantifiable than Reckless Driving... but if we were to break every possible way for someone to swerve in their car incorrectly and make laws against it... well..
I think even you would agree thats a bit silly. How long before "changing radio stations" becomes illegal? And yes, this has killed kids.
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2009-12-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I fell into this reality where no perfect solution exists for anything-- just some solutions that are less imperfect than others.
And with this.. we are at an impasse. I have no further argument as we have ended at the same agreement...
It's just - you appear to accept this reality, and I abhor it. This is not the way things should be done. Do I have a better way? No, not really... Just with how much of an epic fail this one is.. I know there has to be one.
Social animals will always find themselves in the middle of this Push-me-pull-you reality and the best we can do is use our whips/voices/votes to drive away from greater evil and toward greater good. It's a constant struggle, and the rules change beneath our feet.
Which just exposes the greatest irony of all, in that many individuals want their individual liberties protected-- by, of all things, a society that tends to gleefully [and stupidly] cede its collective liberties for the perception of security.
Least worst solution: move to desert island.
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2009-12-22
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I wish I could.
But I'm the the freedom-loving crazy gun-nut that owns an AR-15 and stockpiles food waiting for the Zombie-pacalypse that the government tried to reclassify as "terrorist" with that Homeland security document.
So I'm probably a bad example...
As for your acceptance of no perfect solution, it really disappoints me Tex. Just because we can agree no perfect solution exists (there will always be the Human factor)... that shouldn't mean we cease to try and "better" the ineffectual solution in place. There just.. isn't really a "brainstorm" for real life that politicians really care about. The brainstorm in the real life is a politician putting up a solution - and then bribing or lying to everyone to give them a thumbs up till it passes.
But I'm the the freedom-loving crazy gun-nut that owns an AR-15 and stockpiles food waiting for the Zombie-pacalypse that the government tried to reclassify as "terrorist" with that Homeland security document.
So I'm probably a bad example...
As for your acceptance of no perfect solution, it really disappoints me Tex. Just because we can agree no perfect solution exists (there will always be the Human factor)... that shouldn't mean we cease to try and "better" the ineffectual solution in place. There just.. isn't really a "brainstorm" for real life that politicians really care about. The brainstorm in the real life is a politician putting up a solution - and then bribing or lying to everyone to give them a thumbs up till it passes.
