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Blaxe	2010-05-06 , 08:53
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Originally Posted by cashclientel

This whole issue really underlies the fundamental flaws in the EU. Brussels are unhappy that the German government won't just play ball and cough up. Democracy [the majority of the German public] getting in the way again!

Why can't the French, Dutch, Belgians, etc cough up the money?

I really feel sorry for the Germans and the fact they are going to have to stomach this. Be clear as well that this is not a loan.

If the UK was in the Euro we'd be paying in as well. I'm pretty sure we are anyway really (through things like the CAP).

UKIP at the polls anyone?

save your sympathy, germany has to bear a lot, other countries have to, too. but we are no wizards, able to change **** into money and uk isnt an exception. just wait till after election

	ossipena	2010-05-06 , 08:54
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Originally Posted by Blaxe

hell yeah but they are going to spent 6,7 billion euro for weapons this year! and nobody stopped the greeks while spending all the money, for weapons, but also for public!

instead of that we are all very surprised and angry!?!

just forget the weapons. we in Finland have possibly a not working pension system (funds might run out). And here the retiring age is 60+ years, probably 70 when I am 60 years old...

..what were the figures in Greece again?

there is hella lot stupid holes in Greeces fiscal policy. weapons are a really easy target, but things are really messed up in general. selling all the guns and stopping army wouldn't change the situation significantly.

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Blaxe	2010-05-06 , 08:55
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Originally Posted by ossipena

Germany has biggest surplus plus probably biggest risks with their banks & Greece.

just clear that up:

swiss: 76 billion
france: 56 billion
germany: 45 billion

(greek depth in euro)

slender	2010-05-06 , 08:58
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Originally Posted by Blaxe

hell yeah but they are going to spent 6,7 billion euro for weapons this year! and nobody stopped the greeks while spending all the money, for weapons, but also for public!

instead of that we are all very surprised and angry!?!

I´m sorry but it´s Greeces business to do whatever they want to do with their money. If people chosen by democratic process decide to put all the money on military then be it. It´s not sellers problem to be interested on buyers economic status after they have managed to pay their bills.

Blaxe	2010-05-06 , 09:02
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osse we share the same destination, gonna be retired with 70 (earliest). and the greeks have to, too. but the incessant propaganda blaming the greek joe plumber is way too short and weapons is a german topic politicians dont wanna talk about, it's not a very useful argument in german elections...

Blaxe	2010-05-06 , 09:06
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Originally Posted by slender

I´m sorry but it´s Greeces business to do whatever they want to do with their money. If people chosen by democratic process decide to put all the money on military then be it. It´s not sellers problem to be interested on buyers economic status after they have managed to pay their bills.

its not the sellers problem? really? if the seller share the same currency and credits the sell with this currency it SHOULD be our problem! cause we want the money back....not the sellers problem...never laughed like that....the greeks don't don't pay theire bills since 2007 but we needed to sell MORE AND MORE AND MORE. and we gave them our money to buy our products

slender	2010-05-06 , 09:10
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Originally Posted by Blaxe

its not the sellers problem? really? if the seller share the same currency and credits the sell with this currency it SHOULD be our problem! cause we want the money back....not the sellers problem...never laughed like that....the greeks don't don't pay theire bills since 2007 but we needed to sell MORE AND MORE AND MORE. and we gave them our money to buy our products

I said that if they manage to pay bill then there is nothing else that seller is interested. Why should? Companies are only interested on making money to their owners End of story.

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Do you think that countires could be handled like people who do not anymore have control of themselves?

Last edited by slender; 2010-05-06 at 09:13.

Blaxe	2010-05-06 , 09:12
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Originally Posted by slender

I said that if they manage to pay bill then there is nothing else that seller is interested. Why should? Companies are only interested on making money to their owners End of story.

and who is responsible for paying the bill? where did the money came from? herakles? zeus? or "deutsche bank"?!?

face it, its our problem.

i agree with you forasmuch its not the industrys problem because they got their euros....

Last edited by Blaxe; 2010-05-06 at 09:15.

	ossipena	2010-05-06 , 09:14
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Originally Posted by Blaxe

osse we share the same destination, gonna be retired with 70 (earliest). and the greeks have to, too. but the incessant propaganda blaming the greek joe plumber is way too short and weapons is a german topic politicians dont wanna talk about, it's not a very useful argument in german elections...

exactly. so guns mean nothing compared to impossible system that ensures people can retire as soon as they reach 50.

and I suggest that you would read a bit more about fiscal stuff. of course a country can buy a lot without paying. the seller just is certain that the bill will be paid at some point. a bit like asking your friend to buy you a lollipop that costs 10 euro cents and say you will pay it next week.

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slender	2010-05-06 , 09:17
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Originally Posted by Blaxe

and who is responsible for paying the bill? where did the money came from? herakles? zeus? or "deutsche bank"?!?

Situation right now is that banks do not care about big picture or macroeconomics. Just profit in couple of quarter year and run. If the situation is that lending money to country is low risk and it gives good profit to owners then money goes there.