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	benny1967	2010-05-16 , 09:17
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I wish I had this talent.

	Khertan	2010-05-16 , 09:17
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Hum ... we should also remove the file manager ... someone can lost files by deleting files with it.
Do not forgot to remove the terminal too ... and the delete button on contact list. Ssh should not be available to extras ! it s not for casual users, they can open a security hole by letting with an root/root password.

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abill_uk	2010-05-16 , 09:20
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Originally Posted by cjp

I believe the OP hasn't really understood the concepts of "open software development" and why some repositories remain hidden. I mean obviously if he's gotten most of his files from these forums, then he hasn't figured out enabling the repositories. Therefore he doesn't know about how these apps are developed or just "how things work around here".

The developers on these forums have no responsibility over what their programs do to users' phones, unless they release their software in any other way besides through "testing" and "devel".

You have only yourself to blame for not being informed!

Comments like this are what make any thread turn into arguments and as i was only asking if it was possible to have an un-install system made possible for the n900 to stop the amount of help needed for people looping and bricking their devices it is now starting to get out of hand as per usual on this forum !!! so i will back out now and let ALL you know it alls argue with eachother because quite frankly sometimes this forum absolutely STINKS !!!.

Joorin	2010-05-16 , 09:21
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

Your ranting does not hold any weight whatsoever for many reasons....
the N900 may well be open to a degree but is no way a complete open system as we dont have access to every driver so therefore we cannot deliver clean apps when indeed their is vital driver info missing !.

Please, taking into account that so much actually is open, the parts that are closed are few and far apart.

Engineered for "us" WHO? the N900 for your information is available to everyone in this world and guess what.... just about everyone does indeed buy the N900 frrom geeks to kids so the responsibility as you put it is exactly that , being responsible enough to at least make the apps of our own making un-installable so we can carry on without being subject to uneeded loop and brick situation

And I can walk into an auto shop, buy a muscle car and drive insanely fast down the highway. Since I'm not a very good driver, I'll most likely crash and burn. Should the car manufacturer have stopped me from buying the car? From driving that fast?

Responsibility for reading warnings lie at the users. If they ignore the warnings, they crash and burn. Luckily this is not as bad as with a car...

Finally people like ME are trying to be sensible here and find a way of easy installation UN-INSTALLATION techniques to lesson the problems because of bad development that does not indeed have the much needed un-install files written within the apps.

There already is a system in place to handle uninstallation of packages: The package management system. By using this, there is little need for every developer to actually think about the special cases and just be good at describing the dependencies properly. You will only get more trouble if every developer has to think about writing uninstallation scripts.

Now please do explain something to me here... since when does a properly written app that can be UN-INSTALLED in a way that leaves the os as it was before take anything away from a half open system we call the N900?.

See above...

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chainreaction	2010-05-16 , 09:23
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Abill_uk, what point of extras-devel you do not understand? The whole idea of devel => testing => extras process is to get these problems that you talk about fixed.

If you don't understand the process please do not install devel/testing applications.

And please, give name of one or more applications that bork the device. With that information the problems can be fixed. Simple as that. Please do not spread more FUD about "some applications" seriously damaging the OS. When installing devel or testing apps the user acknowledges this. Or can you name an extras app that kills the OS after uninstallation? That information would be valuable.

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	Khertan	2010-05-16 , 09:23
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Uhm ... do not feed the troll

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S0urcerr0r	2010-05-16 , 09:27
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abill_uk:
n900 is the successor to the n810 and therefore its completly fair to stay on the same advanced path without your proposed moderation of what can be installed and what not.
ure just trying to transform the n900 into another newbie phone (just like the other 1000's phones out there.

chainreaction:
excellent post! :-)

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Robb	2010-05-16 , 09:27
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

After reading many of the problems with the N900 [snip]...
These are my thoughts and i would love to read other people's thoughts regarding this.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

In my opinion what you are stating is only your opinion, not necassarily a fact (though maybe it is true).

To prove a problem you should give some information about the size of the problem. This could be in the form of a count of bricked devices, types of user(advanced, average, beginner, ...),etc. From here you count how many times and which applications have bricked the device.

Armed with this information you can start asking "why" (enough times) there were problems in those situations and the solutions will present by themselves..

Without the facts, you don't know if you're solving a problem or creating a new one.

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	ossipena	2010-05-16 , 09:29
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

Absolutely and another problem because untill an app is indeed past development stages it should not be let out as an installable app on this forum as obviously there are many people who just dont realise what they are dealing with when installing an app just because it looks good or could do what they want it to do does not mean its been tested enough to be safe.

who's going to test it then?!? all testers must compile the app for themselves?

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acvetkov	2010-05-16 , 09:32
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Abill_uk please go read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool

Stop comparing windows and linux they are completly different. This is why 90% of us are here i.e. linux is what we want, not stupid OS that requires 100 times to click next and on which we have little or no control. Linux in most cases don`t need whatever it is UNINSTALLTION linux have package managers (apt, yum)
If we follow your strange logic the next most important topic here will be DON`T go in the tube with n900 it will brick your device.