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Originally Posted by ossipena
Which is tragic, since Apple's means of controlling fragmentation is to strip end users of any and all power. It's easy to have all the different platforms if users are basically led by the nose.
actually defragmenting android will continue with 3.0
and apple will have at least 3 different devices (iphone, ipad, itv) with same os.
fragmentation is bad for developers. less fragmentation = less testing required. and app races are all about developers...
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2010-10-20
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Originally Posted by YoDude
I don't know. I think Apple will be producing cool, desirable stuff for a while yet.
Of coarse it is only a theory Captain.
One thing our boy fails to mention... the death of Apple's Macintosh as the desktop system to beat once Microsoft released Windows 3.whatever.
Being able to use Windows on a variety of manufacturers hardware made Windows "more" open then Mac at the time...
For being able to respond to new consumer trends and technologies, more open trumps mostly closed... every time.
"Next" was miles ahead of M//S as far as technology and usability went but it used the same model as the Mac and now the iPhone. However, once the momentum went the way of M/S, decision makers couldn't be drawn back so easily. Once bitten, twice shy.
I'm detecting a bit of fear in Stevie.
The iPhone was more like the Mac when it dropped. It was a game changer when compared to what others offered. It did introduce a whole lot of people in the North American market to what a full featured phone can provide.
However, now there are plenty of others offering similar experiences and all we are seeing is incremental changes in the iPhones hardware and not much else.
If history repeats itself, once it becomes clear that Android or whoever will overtake iPhone, we will start hearing how our boy is all of sudden finding that the folks in his own organization no longer get his "vision".
In other words Apple slipping wont be his fault.
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2010-10-20
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Originally Posted by YoDude
Thank you for this post, I was puzzling over the seemingly random mention of Windows as an example of "openness", however putting it in this context makes perfect sense! Of course, thinking about Android but talking about Windows, clearly Jobs also fears history repeating itself.
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I'm detecting a bit of fear in Stevie.
The iPhone was more like the Mac when it dropped. It was a game changer when compared to what others offered. It did introduce a whole lot of people in the North American market to what a full featured phone can provide.
However, now there are plenty of others offering similar experiences and all we are seeing is incremental changes in the iPhones hardware and not much else.
If history repeats itself...
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2010-10-20
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some of mr. jobs' comments remind me of one michael o'leary's (ceo of euro lcc ryanair). both seem to have knack for relatively outlandish comments; yet one begins to wonder if these comments reflect what/how these high-profile ceo's really think, or are they just one gutsy, yet well-played, move to keep their respective companies in the continuous lime light. as the saying goes, any kind of publicity is good publicity.
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2010-10-20
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In theory, it'd be possible to do just what Desktop Windows or Linux does: Have proper drivers for each bit of hardware, and abstract everything.
You should be able to write once, and have it work on most all systems powerful enough to use it - Just like with your Windows system(It doesn't matter if its a Dell, HP, or custom build. Whether its an AMD or Intel chip[both have x86/x86_64 compatible instruction sets])
If you have to tweak your application to make it run on different phones running the same OS... Something's wrong here - While you may have extra features in new ARM chips, you can always compile for a "lowest common denominator" instruction set, just like you compile for i386 on the Desktop.
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You should be able to write once, and have it work on most all systems powerful enough to use it - Just like with your Windows system(It doesn't matter if its a Dell, HP, or custom build. Whether its an AMD or Intel chip[both have x86/x86_64 compatible instruction sets])
If you have to tweak your application to make it run on different phones running the same OS... Something's wrong here - While you may have extra features in new ARM chips, you can always compile for a "lowest common denominator" instruction set, just like you compile for i386 on the Desktop.
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I for one agree with Mr Jobs' rant. But the reason Windows trumps OSX is that it is 'open' (our enough for OEMs) but its also integrated. I could literally buy any new Windows computer (MIDs to desktops) and run a PSX emulator with no hassle. Compared to Ubuntu the largest linux distro (i think) which is more open than Windows but less popular, why? The core reason its that its less integrated (there are slight discrepancies for the user).
I love Steve Vader for this comment because it will put pressure on Google to resolve its exsisting fragmentation issues, and also pressure on MeeGo to design its systems to prevent fragmentation (or limit it) from the start making it a higher quality choice overall, and possibly a better mobileOS than Android.
I love Steve Vader for this comment because it will put pressure on Google to resolve its exsisting fragmentation issues, and also pressure on MeeGo to design its systems to prevent fragmentation (or limit it) from the start making it a higher quality choice overall, and possibly a better mobileOS than Android.
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2010-10-21
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Originally Posted by mohannad
Well, he's playing off the common US notion that Nokia only makes cheap phones -- because US carriers, by and large, only offer cheap Nokias.
Did he just compare a $50 phone to a smartphone?!! AND he is labeling Nokia as the "$50 handsets" manufacturer! This guy needs to get shot!
Since that image exists, it'd be fair enough if he stuck with it, and claimed the iPhone wasn't competing with Nokia dumbphones (though it would be either incredibly bizarre or incredibly revealing were he to feel the need to say that); however, he's clearly encouraging the press to dismiss all Nokia as a whole, including their high-end phones, under that cheap-brick image. Not that most of the US gadget press seems to need any persuasion to ignore or belittle Nokia, but it's still pretty despicably dishonest, IMO.
On the bright side -- if he feels the need to deliver such a strike at Nokia, doesn't that mean he's either feeling pressure from the N8 or (better yet) scared about the forthcoming N9, and Meego devices in general?
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2010-10-21
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Originally Posted by Benson
I doubt he feels any pressure from what Nokia now has in the pipeline. But, he would be a fool not to consider what disruptive potential Nokia has for what he may have in the pipeline.
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On the bright side -- if he feels the need to deliver such a strike at Nokia, doesn't that mean he's either feeling pressure from the N8 or (better yet) scared about the forthcoming N9, and Meego devices in general?
I've said it before and I'll say it again in hopes that a rumor finally gets started:
The quickest way into the North American market for Nokia is through Motorola.
Nokola or Motorokia would pro'ly shake him up a bit.
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2010-10-21
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Originally Posted by YoDude
If Nokia can get past the gorilla in the room (Android). Heck I think even Windows Phone 7 is better positioned then Nokia currently.
I doubt he feels any pressure from what Nokia now has in the pipeline. But, he would be a fool not to consider what disruptive potential Nokia has for what he may have in the pipeline.
I've said it before and I'll say it again in hopes that a rumor finally gets started:
The quickest way into the North American market for Nokia is through Motorola.
Nokola or Motorokia would pro'ly shake him up a bit.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
One thing our boy fails to mention... the death of Apple's Macintosh as the desktop system to beat once Microsoft released Windows 3.whatever.
Being able to use Windows on a variety of manufacturers hardware made Windows "more" open then Mac at the time...
For being able to respond to new consumer trends and technologies, more open trumps mostly closed... every time.
"Next" was miles ahead of M//S as far as technology and usability went but it used the same model as the Mac and now the iPhone. However, once the momentum went the way of M/S, decision makers couldn't be drawn back so easily. Once bitten, twice shy.
I'm detecting a bit of fear in Stevie.
The iPhone was more like the Mac when it dropped. It was a game changer when compared to what others offered. It did introduce a whole lot of people in the North American market to what a full featured phone can provide.
However, now there are plenty of others offering similar experiences and all we are seeing is incremental changes in the iPhones hardware and not much else.
If history repeats itself, once it becomes clear that Android or whoever will overtake iPhone, we will start hearing how our boy is all of sudden finding that the folks in his own organization no longer get his "vision".
In other words Apple slipping wont be his fault.
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