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2011-02-13
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Hold yer horses, folks, let's not jump into conclusions just yet.
I would suggest that a nice, civilized letter should be written to the community infrastructure people on the Nokia side and ask for clarification if there is a change in stance, funding of technical parameters. Note that as the Nokia CEO said, most Nokia employees were completely unaware of the strategic choice made the other day, so even if there are changes (which are by no means a given, on the contrary), it will take a while until they trickle down to an operational level. Note #2 that for Nokia, maemo.org was already on life-support, as the focus shifted to meego.com (so not THAT different in terms the focus being shifted again).
In another food-for-though initiative, I would look at what the 2011 meego device really is when it will be formally announced, and maybe try to figure out if it and the enthusiast crowd it targets can be somehow be some source of synergy for the current maemo.org.
I would suggest that a nice, civilized letter should be written to the community infrastructure people on the Nokia side and ask for clarification if there is a change in stance, funding of technical parameters. Note that as the Nokia CEO said, most Nokia employees were completely unaware of the strategic choice made the other day, so even if there are changes (which are by no means a given, on the contrary), it will take a while until they trickle down to an operational level. Note #2 that for Nokia, maemo.org was already on life-support, as the focus shifted to meego.com (so not THAT different in terms the focus being shifted again).
In another food-for-though initiative, I would look at what the 2011 meego device really is when it will be formally announced, and maybe try to figure out if it and the enthusiast crowd it targets can be somehow be some source of synergy for the current maemo.org.
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2011-02-13
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I would not trust assurances from anyone at Nokia and I think a just-in-case fund would be a wise precaution.
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2011-02-13
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Originally Posted by geneven
Yes, i concur in that. Another way on top of donations could be to allow some ads. Don't need to be anything special. Maybe just some Google ads.
I would not trust assurances from anyone at Nokia and I think a just-in-case fund would be a wise precaution.
As long as we are funded by Nokia we do not need to discuss a name change. It could however become a later issue.
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2011-02-13
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Originally Posted by geneven
When you say site, what exactly do you mean ? While the forum is the loudest and perhaps most visible aspect of maemo.org, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Companies that you hope to see support from were the ones that made sure maemo.org is treated as a stepchild from a previous marriage and the reason why there was/is no migration path to meego.com.
InternetTabletTalk would not compete with sites dedicated to some company. It would be dedicated to the best, wherever it comes from.
Originally Posted by geneven
I'll be blunt. If Nokia pulls the plug without notice, we're dead. Unless, as stated above, you are interested in just a forum, which can indeed continue on a donations basis. The rest of maemo.org is, however, way too big/expensive to bear without major backing.
I would not trust assurances from anyone at Nokia and I think a just-in-case fund would be a wise precaution.
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2011-02-13
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Originally Posted by attila77
So what is needed? A forum, wiki, servers for the repository and a place to report bugs and development. You are probably right when you say that we in current state would not afford TMO. But couldn't we find a better working solution by downsizing and thus also cut the costs?
When you say site, what exactly do you mean ? While the forum is the loudest and perhaps most visible aspect of maemo.org, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Companies that you hope to see support from were the ones that made sure maemo.org is treated as a stepchild from a previous marriage and the reason why there was/is no migration path to meego.com.
I'll be blunt. If Nokia pulls the plug without notice, we're dead. Unless, as stated above, you are interested in just a forum, which can indeed continue on a donations basis. The rest of maemo.org is, however, way too big/expensive to bear without major backing.
It could also be made so it would be easier to participate. It is not that i do not like TMO. It is great! But sometimes it can be a bit advanced for a casual user to get around.
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2011-02-14
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Who owns the maemo trademark? Has Nokia given it to the community? If not, when they decide to de-fund the site, we'd have to change names anyhow.
Given that maemo was put on life support to move funding to meego, I'm guessing that the plug will be pulled for maemo as meego is moved to life support. Frankly, I don't see how we can count on continued funding from Nokia, no matter what prior assurances Nokia has given us. After all we were all pretty sure Nokia wouldn't partner with MS, right?
Really, shouldn't the council start exploring alternatives? Surely, it couldn't hurt to have a plan B in place if the unthinkable happened could it? Aren't there already some people who are mirroring the repository?
It couldn't hurt to have the council facilitate exploring some alternatives, including facilitating the organization of volunteers to mirror parts of the site, etc. Or perhaps they'd rather facilitate everyone leaving and making sure the lights get turned off when they leave.
It wouldn't hurt to be prepared rather than be caught off guard.
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Given that maemo was put on life support to move funding to meego, I'm guessing that the plug will be pulled for maemo as meego is moved to life support. Frankly, I don't see how we can count on continued funding from Nokia, no matter what prior assurances Nokia has given us. After all we were all pretty sure Nokia wouldn't partner with MS, right?
Really, shouldn't the council start exploring alternatives? Surely, it couldn't hurt to have a plan B in place if the unthinkable happened could it? Aren't there already some people who are mirroring the repository?
It couldn't hurt to have the council facilitate exploring some alternatives, including facilitating the organization of volunteers to mirror parts of the site, etc. Or perhaps they'd rather facilitate everyone leaving and making sure the lights get turned off when they leave.
It wouldn't hurt to be prepared rather than be caught off guard.
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I admit that I'm mainly thinking in terms of forums.
If the rest will be dead without Nokia, well, "It's a good day to die," as they say. Lie down with lions and get up with fleas.
I don't remember having seen an accounting of what costs what.
I still think Intel could be interested in continuing to fight for MeeGo and sponsoring this site might be part of the deal.
If the rest will be dead without Nokia, well, "It's a good day to die," as they say. Lie down with lions and get up with fleas.
I don't remember having seen an accounting of what costs what.
I still think Intel could be interested in continuing to fight for MeeGo and sponsoring this site might be part of the deal.
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Nokia owns the Maemo trademark, but has permitted the community to use it. They own the domain name too. There were suggestions to transfer it to the community, but it hasn't happened and I don't know why.
Who owns the maemo trademark? Has Nokia given it to the community? If not, when they decide to de-fund the site, we'd have to change names anyhow.
Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Good questions. It was already suggested to mirror the repositories, but it was not on the presumption, I believe, that Nokia would give sufficient advance notice if that was necessary.
Really, shouldn't the council start exploring alternatives? Surely, it couldn't hurt to have a plan B in place if the unthinkable happened could it? Aren't there already some people who are mirroring the repository?
It couldn't hurt to have the council facilitate exploring some alternatives, including facilitating the organization of volunteers to mirror parts of the site, etc. Or perhaps they'd rather facilitate everyone leaving and making sure the lights get turned off when they leave.
It wouldn't hurt to be prepared rather than be caught off guard.
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Originally Posted by geneven
So you don't want to be able to download software for you device, have developers the power of the auto-builder, the Community SSU, or the version control systems under garage which many people use? If you just want to keep the forum, it'll become a talking shop and - to be frank - shows you don't understand the value that the rest of maemo.org gives you and others.
I admit that I'm mainly thinking in terms of forums.
If the rest will be dead without Nokia, well, "It's a good day to die," as they say. Lie down with lions and get up with fleas.
I don't remember having seen an accounting of what costs what.
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This site has long had a 'psychological' problem that anyone who didn't prefer the Nokia device at hand waas treated as an enemy. I would like to see the abolishment of the enemies list.
There are threads now that focus on non-Nokia products. I think they should be encouraged. I suspect that Webos is going to be the destination of many Nokia refugees. They should have a refugee camp here.
InternetTabletTalk would not compete with sites dedicated to some company. It would be dedicated to the best, wherever it comes from.
All I want is 40 acres, a mule, and Xterm.