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2011-06-03
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You must be joking, or on crack.
Maemo is also released, as is Harmattan. Maemo also sold massively better than WP7.
WP7 is the worst-selling mobile OS of them all.
Maemo is also released, as is Harmattan. Maemo also sold massively better than WP7.
WP7 is the worst-selling mobile OS of them all.
Originally Posted by gerbick
I bet it went like this... "It's released"
That's all I can conjure up.
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2011-06-03
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I can't help wondering how the whole situation is being described in the article. It's like a bad act of a local summer theater.
These two guys are the CEO and Chief Development Officer of the world's largest handset manucacturer, and one could imagine they always know the latest news and development status of the company's most important operating system project - MeeGo. But not in this case, as they describe it. They just get a whitepaper marked with different colors in January, and all of a sudden they both realize that MeeGo isn't going to be ready.
Come on. If this really is true, how come Öistämö still works as a CDO in Nokia? He's the one who should constantly know every single bit of the latest process, when it comes to MeeGo.
Either this is just a badly written story to make MS partnership look better, or really, really bad management.
These two guys are the CEO and Chief Development Officer of the world's largest handset manucacturer, and one could imagine they always know the latest news and development status of the company's most important operating system project - MeeGo. But not in this case, as they describe it. They just get a whitepaper marked with different colors in January, and all of a sudden they both realize that MeeGo isn't going to be ready.
Come on. If this really is true, how come Öistämö still works as a CDO in Nokia? He's the one who should constantly know every single bit of the latest process, when it comes to MeeGo.
Either this is just a badly written story to make MS partnership look better, or really, really bad management.
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2011-06-03
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Originally Posted by Stonik
Sometimes you enthusiastically work on something for a while, and then you take stock and suddenly realise that you are realistically not going to meet your goals.
I can't help wondering how the whole situation is being described in the article. It's like a bad act of a local summer theater.
These two guys are the CEO and Chief Development Officer of the world's largest handset manucacturer, and one could imagine they always know the latest news and development status of the company's most important operating system project - MeeGo. But not in this case, as they describe it. They just get a whitepaper marked with different colors in January, and all of a sudden they both realize that MeeGo isn't going to be ready.
Come on. If this really is true, how come Öistämö still works as a CDO in Nokia? He's the one who should constantly know every single bit of the latest process, when it comes to MeeGo.
Either this is just a badly written story to make MS partnership look better, or really, really bad management.
Of course this is mismanagement, because ideally you would never miss your goal. But realistically, it also happens, and then it is more important to make the right decisions than to fire your (now more experienced...) staff.
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2011-06-03
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Originally Posted by tkatchev
I don't think that finnish goverment would do anything, or could do even if it wanted. There is no legal basis for intervening in a such deal. Besides, they are too busy shovelling billions after billions of finnish national wealth to Greece, Ireland and Portugal in order to save German and French banks from bankruptcy if PIIGs default on their bonds.
Microsoft can't buy Nokia due to antitrust laws and the Finnish government.
As for EU antitrust case, it might be possible. Altough Nokia's market share has plummeted and Microsoft doesn't really have any in the mobile space. I guess the EU comission could go after MS anyway. They seem to like doing that.
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2011-06-03
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Originally Posted by Stonik
Pretty funny, but it sounds more like journalistic oversimplification than anything else.
They just get a whitepaper marked with different colors in January, and all of a sudden they both realize that MeeGo isn't going to be ready.
The idea that this problem just snuck up on Nokia is certainly damming. What did Elop's precursors think they were going to do after Symbian ran out of gas?
I recently watched Giant in honor of Elizabeth Taylor, and this reminds me of Rock Hudson defiantly vowing to stick to cattle while oil gushers were exploding on neighboring ranches. Now Nokia has a lot of dying cattle and its rivals have all struck oil.
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2011-06-03
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Originally Posted by jo21
If you followng Meego mailinglists etc... you would now this:
this is ********.
there is no way even if platform had bugs to take 4 years to make 3 devices.
specially since all of them based on the SAME OS. that should be ironed out along the way.
meego device would be ready and more capable than WP7 this year. probably even last yaer.
Meego is not ready! there is plenty of stuff that needs to be optimized. Decisions to take etc...
and Maemo6. was not ready cause they did rewrite the UI from Gtk+ to core Qt now they rewrite it again in qtquick.
First now (Q2 2011) it seems MAEMO6 more ready but there is still stuff who isnt. and I dont think they can just push this 12 different devices in a year. Different hw different drivers etc... WP7 can mosly cause Microsoft feed hw manufactors with alot of money to make the drivers for theyr OS.
but it seems Nokia employers haas worked very hard since february both on Qt/Webkit and harrmattan.
I guess they realize facts after february....
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Problem is -- WP7 is even less ready than Meego or Maemo.
If timing was an issue, Elop would have picked Android.
Fact is, Elop doesn't care if Nokia ever releases a WP7 phone. The issue at hand here is stopping Linux adoption.
If timing was an issue, Elop would have picked Android.
Fact is, Elop doesn't care if Nokia ever releases a WP7 phone. The issue at hand here is stopping Linux adoption.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing
If you followng Meego mailinglists etc... you would now this:
Meego is not ready! there is plenty of stuff that needs to be optimized. Decisions to take etc...
and Maemo6. was not ready cause they did rewrite the UI from Gtk+ to core Qt now they rewrite it again in qtquick.
so it is first now it seems more ready but there is still stuff who isnt
but it seems Nokia employers haas worked very hard since february both on Qt/Webkit and harrmattan.
I guess they realize facts after february....
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2011-06-03
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Microsoft got everything they wanted out of this 'partnership' with Nokia, and even more. Why would they risk tripping on risky political issues?
Originally Posted by Rauha
I don't think that finnish goverment would do anything, or could do even if it wanted. There is no legal basis for intervening in a such deal. Besides, they are too busy shovelling billions after billions of finnish national wealth to Greece, Ireland and Portugal in order to save German and French banks from bankruptcy if PIIGs default on their bonds.
As for EU antitrust case, it might be possible. Altough Nokia's market share has plummeted and Microsoft doesn't really have any in the mobile space. I guess the EU comission could go after MS anyway. They seem to like doing that.
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2011-06-03
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Microsoft doesn't care about Blackberries.
...or Android or Apple. They just plod along at their own pace.
...or Android or Apple. They just plod along at their own pace.
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In fact, Microsoft doesn't care about the mobile phone business at all; they haven't turned a profit on their mobile products in 15 years, and they can jolly well spend the next 15 years doing the same.
What Microsoft does care about is the fact that Linux will eventually come to dominate the mobile phone ecosystems. This is an inevitable fact; it's only a matter of several years. Linux makes too much business and money sense not to win, and the success of Android shows how true this is.
Linux on the handset will greatly erode Microsoft's marketshare on the desktop, so it's understandable that Microsoft is doing all they can to delay the inevitable.