Oops, right, I keep forgetting that one. Let me point out one final thing - take a look at which site you can download the Android Flash beta from (hint: it’s not Google’s, HTC’s or Motorola’s).

Why is Nokia prohibited from making a forthright statement with regard to its intentions to Flash upgrades?

Isn't it just a bit pathetic that the most authoritative statement on that subject has come from Qole, who, last I heard, is not employed by any company, let alone Nokia?

I still haven't heard a reasonable statement from Nokia about why it wouldn't provide an upgrade to Flash when and if it is available. Expense? Too much trouble?

Why can't Nokia communicate clearly on this issue?

Who at Nokia is responsible for communication to us, btw?

Now hat *is* something I’d like Nokia to improve on, especially considering that Adobe doesn’t mention even MeeGo as such (interesting because of the ARM branch of MeeGo and MeeGo-Harmattan).

Technically, that came from the head of Maemo operations, qole was just relaying the info.

Generally, that would be qgil (through the Council if nothing else). And yes, there were recent council mails that contained that question, but had no actual response so far.

WTF indeed Atilla77. You are a respected senior member of the forum and a council member at that and so.. WTH were you smoking when you said that?

The N900 with the Maemo5 platform simply never sold enough to attract Adobe to do the flash work themselves. Bet you a 100 bucks that if M5 platform sold in huge numbers they would be all over it, just like they are dying for Apple to take it.

Yes, Adobe is a prick for leaving Linux out for most of the time. But how can you even confuse normal Linux distributions business case out there with no manufactures exclusively using them to push their hardware vs something like Nokia's Linux based distributions M5/M6/etc.

As for Nokia, they never intended to push Maemo5 beyond what it is. Launched it as a niche product and killed it prematurely by shrugging and hiding every shortcoming by re asserting its a niche product.

Its all about business. Has nothing to do with M5s Debian roots. M6/Harmattan/Meego-Instance if I'm not mistaken is also Debian based. But I'm sure its going to get flash. Would make no business sense to launch a spanking new hardware with an important(disclaimer: neccessary evil to me) functionality like Flash missing.

So yeah the maybe the responsibilty should be Adobe's to support all the platforms with equal love. But the blame is on Nokia for not doing what was necessary for M5.

PS: Saw your second post too. Still doesn't explain the silence on Nokia's part. Neither does tying Adobe's hands to release any possible information.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=475

PS2: Ok. You do agree on Nokia's stoic but frankly ridiculous silence
Having Qgil is a positive indeed, but how much he is restricted by Nokia is pathetic IMO.

Feels like such a damn wasted oppurtunity. Perfect ingredients, perfect recipe, prob perfect outlook too, but just fsked up completely on execution and follow through by Nokia. Aarghh.

It's not confusion - Flash on Maemo is a direct descendant of the Linux desktop Flash, it is not treated as a separate platform by Adobe (or Nokia). Until there is a solid Linux base for 10.1, Maemo/MeeGo will be just a stepchild, no matter how hard Nokia pushes. Think about it, Adobe sunk TONS of effort to get around Apple's limitations, only to have the door slammed in their faces. Adobe is a prick because they said well then, s**w everything, we want to hurt Apple, nobody says no the hottest chick in town ! There are a LOT more Linux machines (or Symbian) out there and yet they focus almost exclusively on Android, relegating everything second to that, exactly because Symbian and Linux even with their tens-or-hundreds-of-millions of users will not impact Apple as much as Android. This really is about vanity and politics between Apple and Adobe, users be damned, we're just collaterals in that story, and not chiefly even that of Nokia or MeeGo, but Adobe. Think about it. Can Nokia singlehandedly take over the whole Flash for Linux branch, hardware acceleration and all ? Yeah, they could probably cobble together a barebones port based on the OpenScreen porting kit on their own, but that would essentially be forking Flash. That's why I'm not at all sure if the current situation is a result of 'Adobe good, Nokia bad', which is the general notion here.

Not sure I follow your logic.

How solid of base is needed beyond Flash Player 10.1 being out and installable right now?

Im not sure why people think it is coming at all, the n900 is below adobes min spec for WVGA devices as its minimum spec for ARM chipsets is 800Mhz, and we've only a lowly 600Mhz out of the box.

I thought it was mentioned that the 800Mhz spec wasn't the be all and end all spec and that it was available on an android phone similar to that of the n900...

I certainly don't consider a 32bit X86 blob a solid base. Where's the link to an ARM build ? Where is pulseaudio support ? Where is proper non-GTK browser support ? Where's hardware acceleration for video decoding ? Why is the minimum CPU requirement 2x higher (and memory requirement 4x higher) on Linux than on Windows ? That sort of stuff.

EDIT: Not the mention the mother of all Adobe Linux goof-ups of HAVING a 64bit version (crappy as it was, at least it existed) and then remove it. Probably Nokia's fault, too, as we know Adobe lives and breathes Linux, right ?

that is how we deal some pipz, we got a better one but still asking for much much better.