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geneven	2010-06-15 , 18:58
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Originally Posted by attila77

Technically, that came from the head of Maemo operations, qole was just relaying the info.

I don't remember Qole identifying the source beyond "a senior Nokia employee" or something to that effect.

What other company chooses to release information in this way?

This sounds like a deep background statement like an administration official would make about using missles in Pakistan.

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gerbick	2010-06-15 , 18:59
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I've stated it over and over that Adobe needs to place the Flash Player out there for Cydia.

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	ysss	2010-06-15 , 19:05
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just to clarify: Cydia is the appmanager+appstore front end for unauthorized apps, accessible only by jailbroken iDevices

I think that will truly enrage steve jobs... i've no idea what other bridges he'd burn toward Adobe if they do that...

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attila77	2010-06-15 , 19:09
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Originally Posted by devu

The most important message was all of delays was because of vendors (of specific devices) Didn't provide driver support! Who does, get it working.

That’s missing the point, for two reasons. One, Flash10.1 can always fall back to software rendering (=do what it is doing now). Two, Adobe itself was boasting about direct cooperation with Texas Instruments for bringing Flash 10 to OMAP based devices (it’s Texas instruments who makes the drivers for these devices, not Nokia, Motorola or Palm).

Can you write a game for my device if i will not give you a driver for my graphic card even if OS is yours? C'mon people!

The trouble is you DID make the game for the SAME graphics card for other platforms. Not to mention the detail that hardware acceleration or particular devices ARE NOT A REQUIREMENT even on your own page. Last, but not least, Maemo uses the same browser APIs as any desktop Linux does, so there is nothing to special to disclose (is it Canonical’s fault Adobe pulled HW accelerated Flash 10.1 from 64bit Ubuntus ?)

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	devu	2010-06-15 , 19:20
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Originally Posted by attila77

That’s missing the point, for two reasons. One, Flash10.1 can always fall back to software rendering (=do what it is doing now). Two, Adobe itself was boasting about direct cooperation with Texas Instruments for bringing Flash 10 to OMAP based devices (it’s Texas instruments who makes the drivers for these devices, not Nokia, Motorola or Palm).

Yes, I agree with you. My example was extreme if you can hold device and OS in our hand. but Adobe is not holding any. They could prepare flash in terms of device talking to Texas Instruments. But is not like driver is something like bridge between device and OS? Rather than Device -> 3th party tech under some OS?

Originally Posted by attila77

The trouble is you DID make the game for the SAME graphics card for other platforms. Not to mention the detail that hardware acceleration or particular devices ARE NOT A REQUIREMENT even on your own page. Last, but not least, Maemo uses the same browser APIs as any desktop Linux does, so there is nothing to special to disclose (is it Canonical’s fault Adobe pulled HW accelerated Flash 10.1 from 64bit Ubuntus ?)

For me one thing is clear. If One particular platform can handle that. Flash must be prepare for that as well. If Other doesn't means there is some missing link. (drivers?)

Gosh I would like to find this stuff I've read 5 days ago. But now I suspect they took it off for reason

Edit:
But don't get me wrong, I agree that if you look at what the whole campaign promised it was wide coverage of mobile devices. In this case looks like flash 10.1 release is pretty formal and didn't ad big value to the market. Maybe only Android Team is a winner in this case but this is still under consideration.

Edit 2

go there

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/f...#release_notes

and try to click on

Where can I find a list of known issues?/release notes

or

System Requirements/See the full release notes

Maybe I've got something wrong but it just doesn't work for me now :/

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attila77	2010-06-15 , 19:51
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Originally Posted by devu

For me one thing is clear. If One particular platform can handle that. Flash must be prepare for that as well. If Other doesn't means there is some missing link. (drivers?)

I’m afraid it’s simpler than that. My educated guess is that the missing link is (drumroll)... time.

The Open Screen project was a nice, grand but slow project, a little late, no biggie. But with the turn of events in the last 6 months suddenly everything shifted to overdrive. With the iOS rebellion, Adobe needs Flash on a major mobile platform competing with Apple *NOW*, hence the 100% Android focus. Nokia needs 100% focus to make MeeGo and a Qt based ecosystem ready by N9 or they are really in trouble (bigger trouble than if none of us and our family and their friends never buy a Nokia again). That’s my guess why there is no frantic activity around Flash 10.1 on Maemo. Considering that Nokia does not win anything by NOT having Flash on the N900 (the N8 does not have it and the N9 is half a year away), that’s the one remotely reasonable explanation I can think of (with the presumption that Nokia and Adobe DO have a strategy

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	devu	2010-06-15 , 19:56
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Originally Posted by attila77

I’m afraid it’s simpler than that. My educated guess is that the missing link is (drumroll)... time.

And I’m afraid you right... economy politics.... that's why I can't agree to that

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	ysss	2010-06-15 , 20:05
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Originally Posted by devu

And I’m afraid you right... economy politics.... that's why I can't agree to that

Heh.. that's like rejecting to understand gravity..

Every time you see something falls, you'll be confused and engulfed in bewilderment..

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	qole	2010-06-15 , 22:30
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Originally Posted by geneven

Isn't it just a bit pathetic that the most authoritative statement on that subject has come from Qole, who, last I heard, is not employed by any company, let alone Nokia?

Sorry, geneven, did I do something to you that I'm not aware of? PM me and we'll resolve it. Because that was pretty harsh wording. Especially since you're wrong; I am currently employed (just not for much longer).

And attila77 is right about my source's job title. I attended a presentation and asked him privately afterwards, and I simply relayed to you what he told me. And as I've said, I'd love to be wrong.

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attila77	2010-06-16 , 18:38
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Originally Posted by quipper8

here is a good read about their strategy

http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Tec...hite_paper.pdf

What I found interesting in that document is that it talks a whole lot about HTML5 and a lot less about Flash than I’d expect (leaving AIR completely out of the picture), to the point that the only development it sees is full flash on Symbian at some point, but is tight lipped about OpenScreen/Flash10 on Maemo OR MeeGo. In retrospect, Nokia was not among the myriad of companies that issued a letter of support for Flash recently, the OpenScreen Fund did not progress beyond it’s 2008 page and Flash Lite. But it gets more interesting... There is not a single Nokia related news or device video which is made after October 2009, and from the mobile-world-all-star-CEO-lineup video, conspiculosly, there are two representatives missing - Apple and Nokia (+maybe TI). Considering that Symbian is not strictly a Nokia thing, I’m starting to think it’s not impossible Nokia is not that fond of Adobe any more.

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