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2010-06-08 , 01:44
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All right... all right... but apart from a stable OS and one of the most used research starting points and the most widely deployed webserver and an RDMS and a multiplatform high-level programming language and a popular web browser and a popular web browser engine and an ever more detailed world map that was instrumental in the Haiti disaster relief effort... what have the Romans done for us?

Freedom!

What!? Oh... Freedom, yes... shut up!
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2010-06-08 , 01:47
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#62
Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
words.
Go back and read it again. Try to comprehend what a human being might reasonably mean with the term "finished product".

On Firefox: Yes, the choice to intentionally not be compatible with the de facto standard video codec due to some nebulous concept of "freedom" doesn't affect it's viability at all.

On proprietary hardware: you are making my case for me, thanks.
 
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I hate having to sit here and defend an entire concept from the piecemeal (and poor) arguments from people who don't quite know what they're talking about.

Originally Posted by ZShakespeare View Post
How about android
I can download the source, build, and install Android myself. Aside from a handful of drivers, how is that not open source?

Well, channeling GeneralAntilles it's because the community can't influence the direction of the project, but that's a debate to be had with those who aren't wholly uninformed as to what is going on.

and apple phones that do everything that one would expect a phone to do, while an "open source" (I use the term lightly because it's not really) phone doesn't.
Maemo was never a phone OS to start. Hell I probably fit right into the intended use case, I use few voice minutes but hammer my data connection. Is that the WRONG way to use it? Am I wrong (and you shut up, PradaBrada) for using it the way I do, which fits my purposes perfectly?

What sold me on it was the use of standard *nix technologies based on existing, active open source projects. Less reinvention of the wheel, focus on the UI (which has been done well) and not treating me like the enemy, which Apple (and most Android device manufacturers) do.

Something being open source has NOTHING to do with how a company like Nokia executes a product. NOTHING.
 

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nice trolling ZShakespeare and PradaBrada. I have to quote a line from one of my favorite show: "you only have desire to speak and not to seek the truth". I hope in real life, you are not as shallow and illogical as you have demonstrated here.
 

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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
words.
android: have fun using your google phone with no google apps.

the "maemo is not a phone" argument: both Android and iPhone are fantastic mobile computers as well as phones then. It doesn't matter what labels you stick on it.
 
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare View Post
Go back and read it again. Try to comprehend what a human being might reasonably mean with the term "finished product".

On Firefox: Yes, the choice to intentionally not be compatible with the de facto standard video codec due to some nebulous concept of "freedom" doesn't affect it's viability at all.

On proprietary hardware: you are making my case for me, thanks.
As a general rule, a finished product is a dead product. Windows is not a finished product judging from the number of midnight updates I see. Open source is a concept that has some similarity with science. Science rarely produces a finished product. But it does have its uses.
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2010-06-08 , 02:01
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
So you see the RIAA, MPAA, and those who keep pushing to extend copyright law and cripple internet communications as the enemy... right?
Yes, the MPAA and RIAA aren't solutions to piracy, changing of pricing or a better distribution model is.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
And your suggestion that open source software is a fight against progress is quite hilarious.
If it is solely used for the sake of being a free alternative or for the fact it doesn't let the users get classed with the rest of the "Windows sheep", which are ironically the two main reason half of the pinguin club uses it.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Man, this is why I'd ban you if I could. Stop painting people with a brush that's convenient, even if it is wholly wrong.
Thanks for the notice.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
This comment makes no ****ing sense.
Actually it makes perfect sense!

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Games aren't proof that closed source software is -better-.
They prove that an open gaming industry is almost inherently not profitable.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Also, I don't have any opposition to closed source software, I run Windows on my desktop and have a Steam install tracking well over 20 games.
Good to know.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
I'm sorry, what was your point again? I mean, other than ignorantly bashing people whose processes and motives you fail utterly to understand?
Open source sucks hurr durr!
 
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2010-06-08 , 02:02
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare View Post
android: have fun using your google phone with no google apps.
Lack of Google's custom apps doesn't cripple the device, and there are alternative app stores for Android.

the "maemo is not a phone" argument: both Android and iPhone are fantastic mobile computers as well as phones then. It doesn't matter what labels you stick on it.
Indeed, when I was looking at phones my first choice was Android (iPhone was never an option, due to no HW keyboard.) But Maemo had a technical base that I liked better.

I find nothing wrong with the N900 that can be blamed on Open Source, neither the fundamental software nor the concept. Any flaws lie with Nokia.

Can you get your argument back on track or are you going to keep bouncing around?

EDIT: More blather

Originally Posted by PradaBrada View Post
Yes, the MPAA and RIAA aren't solutions to piracy, changing of pricing or a better distribution model is.
Glad we can agree on something.

If it is solely used for the sake of being a free alternative or for the fact it doesn't let the users get classed with the rest of the "Windows sheep", which are ironically the two main reason half of the pinguin club uses it.
Wait, so are you suggesting that there might be VALID REASONS for using and developing open source? Or are you suggesting that "Not Buying Microsoft is Communism?" I'm trying to get your point, other than attacking Open Source for being Open Source.

Actually it makes perfect sense!
Well, no it doesn't. People get jobs writing open source software. Some people contribute freely.

They prove that an open gaming industry is almost inherently not profitable.
And I've never argued against it, seeing as how they're an entertainment product with little value beyond the initial play. But then you have the recent Humble Indie Bundle that had most of the companies release their engine sources as open source software.

Open source sucks hurr durr!
Well that's all I'm hearing from you and ZShakespeare.
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@OP - It's brought an option that wasn't there before. Competition is good for us consumers.
 

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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
It looks to me like you've learned some small bit of psychobabble and you want to apply it to everything. You would have to write a thesis to support your wild comparison and I doubt it would be read or approved.
It was actually already written and approved by a jury of esteemed peers! Here it is:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=42
 
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