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2010-07-05 , 18:30
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And the reason Nokia are not talking to us is very simple.... how does a company like Nokia tell end user... oh sorry we screwed up so we decided not to do any more work on this product and instead we will bring out a better one !.
 
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2010-07-05 , 18:47
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N900 was 1st one having VPN+ssh+KB after communicator !
It was wrongly advertised, that's all ... and then again, tell me company, whom makes initial annoucement 100% correct today.
I know so many, whom are not able to do that ...
Openmoko could vpn+ssh. In fact, I'm sure other phones could do that before the N900.

Now, about their marketing... it wasn't really marketed outside of Europe, and even then, it was sparse. And it was marketed as a mobile computer with phone capabilities.
 

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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
And the reason Nokia are not talking to us is very simple.... how does a company like Nokia tell end user... oh sorry we screwed up so we decided not to do any more work on this product and instead we will bring out a better one !.
Here's where we're just going to have to disagree.

Nokia didn't "screw up". They didn't take advantage of the Maemo situation, they haven't opened up the OS's (past and present) fully... and they've not supported the community that supports them.

The N900 did what they wanted it to do... set a new path for their devices.
 

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2010-07-05 , 19:06
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My zaurus SL-5500 could tunnel VNC over SSH... never needed VPN back then, but I think there was support for freeswan and ipsec.

Circa 2002, it has full linux distro with nice slide out qwerty keyboard.

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2010-07-05 , 20:30
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The N900 was a complete disaster for Nokia [...]
Any source for this?

AFAIK the reality is the contrary. Nokia is very surprised by the good reception of N900 and sales are exceeding the expectations a lot.
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Here's where we're just going to have to disagree.

Nokia didn't "screw up". They didn't take advantage of the Maemo situation, they haven't opened up the OS's (past and present) fully... and they've not supported the community that supports them.

The N900 did what they wanted it to do... set a new path for their devices.
You need to listen to your own words because really... it says it all !.
 
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2010-07-06 , 07:42
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Originally Posted by smoku View Post
Any source for this?

AFAIK the reality is the contrary. Nokia is very surprised by the good reception of N900 and sales are exceeding the expectations a lot.
Why don't you read all the post's in this thread and a few other threads that say sad facts about the N900 and the way Nokia have left it... does that give an indication of support to this community and the device itself or are you just deluding yourself

Come back to this thread in a month or so and if things have changed support wise from Nokia then i and many many others will be happy indeed.
 
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2010-07-06 , 09:50
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Why don't you read all the post's in this thread and a few other threads that say sad facts about the N900 and the way Nokia have left it... does that give an indication of support to this community and the device itself or are you just deluding yourself

Come back to this thread in a month or so and if things have changed support wise from Nokia then i and many many others will be happy indeed.
I'm not asking for community opinions, but for the source of the information that N900 was a disaster for Nokia.

If you are suggesting reading this thread for facts, I guess you are confusing fact with opinion. Facts are usually supported by numbers. Opinions are supported by feelings.
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2010-07-06 , 10:04
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I'm not asking for community opinions, but for the source of the information that N900 was a disaster for Nokia.

If you are suggesting reading this thread for facts, I guess you are confusing fact with opinion. Facts are usually supported by numbers. Opinions are supported by feelings.
Opinions normally come from facts so do you see the mass of support from Nokia for the N900?.
 
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2010-07-06 , 10:07
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Opinions normally come from facts so do you see the mass of support from Nokia for the N900?.
Like the opinions about religion then? They all come from fact don't they...LOL
 
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