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2010-06-26
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Originally Posted by ysss
That's what I think as well. I mean, if they allow for the DRM to be turned off, then will they say that you don't have access to the app store now? They will almost have to say that to keep the 3rd parties happy.
@wmarone: but you know full well that will basically kill the commercial 3rd party market for the platform (if DRM is removed, weakened or backdoored); and that will not bode well for the platform's longevity.
So it might boil down (pure speculation, treat it as such) to standard fare MeeGo, uses Ovi and Intel's AppUp store, no limitations. Or "expert mode" MeeGo with the DRM removed (this would cover the community based MeeGo too for N900 more than likely) and disallow access to any normally DRM'd software.
If that's not fragmentation, I don't know what is.
@Nathraiben: poser? On their website they mentioned a 30 days trial offer thingy... was that what you meant?
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2010-06-26
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I can see this playing out the same way as the Linux support for the PS3 did 
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2010-06-26
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Originally Posted by ysss
Frankly I think they need figure out how to make money without demanding ownership of my property at the same time. The least I can do is to avoid using their software.
@wmarone: but you know full well that will basically kill the commercial 3rd party market for the platform (if DRM is removed, weakened or backdoored); and that will not bode well for the platform's longevity.
Sadly, all the power is in their court. Things don't go the way they want and they go whining to the US Congress, the EU, or WIPO.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Or they can allow the developers to mark whether or not they want to require DRM. Then it's easy to spot the companies that consider their customers criminals.
That's what I think as well. I mean, if they allow for the DRM to be turned off, then will they say that you don't have access to the app store now? They will almost have to say that to keep the 3rd parties happy.
So it might boil down (pure speculation, treat it as such) to standard fare MeeGo, uses Ovi and Intel's AppUp store, no limitations. Or "expert mode" MeeGo with the DRM removed (this would cover the community based MeeGo too for N900 more than likely) and disallow access to any normally DRM'd software.
If that's not fragmentation, I don't know what is.
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2010-06-26
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@wmarone: actually, I'm yearning for people to regrasp the 'quaint' meaning of 'freedom'; when it used to mean that people want the freedom to build their nation; to work hard to achieve their noble dreams, etc.
Nowadays people ***** and moan for freedom to infringe on other people's right. To waste their time and resources for unnecessary things. Etc.
Nowadays people ***** and moan for freedom to infringe on other people's right. To waste their time and resources for unnecessary things. Etc.
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Originally Posted by wmarone
This argument is EXACTLY why I don't like the GPL. I wrote my software and its mine. Don't demand ownership of my whole software system and tell me what to do with it because some insignificant piece of code in it that happens to be GPL'd.
Frankly I think they need figure out how to make money without demanding ownership of my property at the same time. The least I can do is to avoid using their software.
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2010-06-26
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Sorry that was off topic
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2010-06-26
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@mmurfin87: if it's insignificant, why don't you do away with that piece of code...
...or just rewrite it if you can...
...or just rewrite it if you can...
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Originally Posted by ysss
Which can be hard to do when corporations insist that you fit in a neat little box with a credit card number attached.
@wmarone: actually, I'm yearning for people to regrasp the 'quaint' meaning of 'freedom'; when it used to mean that people want the freedom to build their nation; to work hard to achieve their noble dreams, etc.
Nowadays people ***** and moan for freedom to infringe on other people's right. To waste their time and resources for unnecessary things. Etc.
Originally Posted by mmurfin87
It's not that you don't like it, it's that you fail to understand it.
This argument is EXACTLY why I don't like the GPL.
I wrote my software and its mine.
Don't demand ownership of my whole software system and tell me what to do with it because some insignificant piece of code in it that happens to be GPL'd.
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2010-06-26
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Originally Posted by wmarone
I understand the GPL. I also understand its intended and unintended consequences. I don't like it.
It's not that you don't like it, it's that you fail to understand it.
The failure here is yours, and the only person you can be irritated with is yourself. If you know a bit of code is GPL'd, don't copy it.
I neither "copy" nor use GPL code. Just like you don't buy/use DRM hardware. We're both still free to ***** about it.
At the end of the day, there is almost nothing wrong with the core philosophy of DRM: to insure than only paying customers can use the software.
The only real objection here can be when the DRM doesn't allow users to do what they should be able to do.
@Nathraiben: poser? On their website they mentioned a 30 days trial offer thingy... was that what you meant?
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