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2017-09-08 , 18:41
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#61
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How about the Neo Freerunner, GTA04 and Neo900? They are aware of the Neo900 project's existence as I mentioned it to them when filled in the Librem phone survey they put out several months ago. Their hardware design that separates the baseband from the CPU and has hardware kill switches is clearly influenced by the Neo900. I find it rather cheeky of them to claim to be the first.
Until the neo900 actually ships I think it's fair to treat it like it doesn't exist. Other than that, I think we're pretty much on the same page...I'd love this thing to exist but I'm very skeptical about its chances of being delivered.
 

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2017-09-08 , 19:38
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Until the neo900 actually ships I think it's fair to treat it like it doesn't exist. Other than that, I think we're pretty much on the same page...I'd love this thing to exist but I'm very skeptical about its chances of being delivered.
I was referring to the Neo900 project, not the device. I know there is still a possibility that it may fail and we may never see the device but as I can still see regular, recent updates to their Git repositories, I think it's fair to treat it as if the project does exist. My complaint was that Purism claim to be "the first to seriously attempt this" when quite clearly this is not true. Even if there is still no device, I would at the very least assert that Neo900 have attempted it, not to mention the Freerunner and GTA04.
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2017-09-08 , 19:49
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#63
Originally Posted by wicket View Post
My complaint was that Purism claim to be "the first to seriously attempt this" when quite clearly this is not true. Even if there is still no device, I would at the very least assert that Neo900 have attempted it, not to mention the Freerunner and GTA04.
Yeah that's fair enough. Maybe they consider the neo900 to be different as it's not going to ship with a fully free OS provided by the neo900 team (just the bits you'd need to build one)? Maemo isn't fully free after all - most of the SW focus of the neo900 has been around porting Maemo to it.
 

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2017-09-13 , 18:12
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I was just wondering. Is this device as pure as Ivory soap?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...e-other-56-100

What fraction of it do you think is not FOSS or not gnu compliant?
 

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2017-09-13 , 19:38
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Their campaign contains buzzwords that don't make any sense. WTF is "IP-native mobile handset" supposed to mean?
I think what they are meaning here is that they are pushing TCP/IP based solutions over the typical GSM based options, and they are doing this by partnering with Matrix.org to produce a device with VoIP, video calling, and instant messaging out of the box rather than third-party bolt-ons.
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2017-09-14 , 02:49
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I think what they are meaning here is that they are pushing TCP/IP based solutions over the typical GSM based options, and they are doing this by partnering with Matrix.org to produce a device with VoIP, video calling, and instant messaging out of the box rather than third-party bolt-ons.
You could well be right there, however this sounds very similar to what Nokia introduced back in 2009 with the N900 when they allowed us associate accounts for SIP, Jabber, Skype, Google Talk, etc. with a contact. It all worked out-of-the-box, no third-party bolt-ons required. They didn't necessarily promote IP services over GSM services but they certainly made them first class citizens.

So that's yet another false "first ever" claim from Purism.
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2017-09-14 , 07:42
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Originally Posted by wicket View Post
You could well be right there, however this sounds very similar to what Nokia introduced back in 2009 with the N900 when they allowed us associate accounts for SIP, Jabber, Skype, Google Talk, etc. with a contact. It all worked out-of-the-box, no third-party bolt-ons required. They didn't necessarily promote IP services over GSM services but they certainly made them first class citizens.

So that's yet another false "first ever" claim from Purism.
Indeed, on the more mainstream side of things this is the same with an iPhone you get iMessage (instant messaging) and Facetime (VoIP and video calling). And I think BlackBerry did it even before Nokia with Blackberry Messenger, so there's tons of prior art here.

But anyway, since when has marketing wank ever been 100% accurate without any hyperbole?
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2017-09-14 , 13:45
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#68
Just looking at the numbers. After about 3 weeks Purism is at around 20% of its goal with about 6 weeks to go. Need to raise another million dollars. Right now, I'm not too optimistic about them making it... Hope they succeed.
 

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Also KDE is cooperating: https://www.kde.org/announcements/kd...sm-librem5.php
 

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For those who has missed it: They will use an open ARM platform not some shitty Qualcom garbage with closed drivers instead they will use:

https://www.nxp.com/products/microco...s:IMX6X_SERIES

or:

https://www.nxp.com/products/microco...rs:IMX8-SERIES
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