Originally Posted by daperl

I was responding to the person who was telling me about all the great communication technologies that will be here. Well, there not here, so how about I just use what is here. Or is that too much in the past for you?

Originally Posted by Benson

We're talking about a device we won't get our hands on for some months, which will have those "great communication technologies", namely cellular data and voip. And will have GSM, which may be used as backwards compatibility only even if not labeled as such. Yes, writing it off simply because current devices fall into a tablet/phone dichotomy is too much in the past for me.

Originally Posted by Justjoe

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=299

The top image shows the difference, and it's a pretty big difference.

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

Being able to surf anywhere is a transformative experience. It's one of the reasons people tether their existing tablets. The MAJOR benefit now, is that we have the option of doing this without requiring a second device! In fact many of us will do this for the first time.
Once people realize that they can look up recipes while in the grocery store, SSH into their server on the train, video chat on the beach, buy tickets in a cab, snap and send photos at concerts, run automation scripts at the movies, etc. I'm sure they will enjoy the inclusion of a cellular radio and accept the 'pesky' half-inch of screen lost.

Originally Posted by allnameswereout

Really. So accelerometer means problem. The only time that happens on my iPod touch is when I'm lying on either side in my bed using the thing.

Well, its important to realize your position. If you're so dissatisfied with all this news development why not design your own hardware and enjoy all these nice people who make their demands and whine when you picked a path instead of simply looking at the good sides of the offer, or the other available offers?

Uh, that implies nobody at t.m.e. wants to buy this device. Don't give yourself too much credit, aye?

5800 does not compete with N97 that much; they're aimed at different market segment. Kids can't pay for N97, but they can afford 5800.

Originally Posted by fpp

Let's count :

1) upgradability : tablets still don't have decent competition right now, but phones are a dime a dozen. This is my fourth (second-hand) modem/phone since I got started with the 770. Along the way I went from EDGE to 3G to 3G+. What if I buy a 3G+ N900 this year, and 4G starts rolling out next year ?

2) independence : tablets are unshackled, phones aren't. Over the last two years I switched operators three times in the hunt for the best data plan. What if the N900 is sold by only one operator in my country, like the iPhone was until recently ?

3) dezoning : you could buy (or sell) a 770 or N800 anywhere in the world, it didn't make any difference. With the N810 there is the pesky nag of the keyboard layout, but one may choose to compromise on that. But if your cell radio is CDMA or GSM or whatever, you're pretty well bound to those networks.

4) battery life : two devices means two batteries. The tablet's takes care of computing, the phone's takes care of transmission. And those 3G+ speeds are real greedy leeches. My E71 has the same battery capacity as the tablets - that's twice the juice.

5) versatility : yes, I use my tablet a lot. But sometimes I don't have it with me, or it's just quicker and simpler to whip out the phone for something really simple (weather etc.). The phone also does VoIP more naturally and with less fuss than the tablet. Then again I sometimes spend a day in a meeting with my netbook, which I also tether to the phone for net access. That's three devices I can use that single data plan with ; four, if you count my home desktop when my DSL line is fubared ; six, given that I happen to have three tablets :-)

6) resilience : phone dead ? Buy/borrow another and stick the SIM inside. Stuck in a corner of a room with poor reception ? Position the phone a few meters away near a window and use your tablet/netbook from your seat. Etc.

This all practical, real-life experience. At the moment all that "convergence" stuff is purely virtual to me. Maybe in a year or two I'll see the light and change my mind, but for now it does sound like somebody else pushing their own interests, rather than mine...

Originally Posted by Benson

We're talking about a device we won't get our hands on for some months, which will have those "great communication technologies", namely cellular data and voip. And will have GSM, which may be used as backwards compatibility only even if not labeled as such. Yes, writing it off simply because current devices fall into a tablet/phone dichotomy is too much in the past for me.

Originally Posted by johnkzin

It looks to me like the excluded area is exactly the same as the status bar and side menus. Have you tried doing the same thing, using an actual screen shot of a tablet in window mode, and having the shaded area be in the application window part of the screen shot?

Originally Posted by nhanquy

My 12 year old niece still would not trade my N810 for her IPod Touch after I showed her what my N810 could do!

Originally Posted by allnameswereout

Originally Posted by johnkzin

I keep seeing this reference, and scratching my head. I can't imagine a need for a dpad in an xterm... I think it's the one app that doesn't need the dpad at all. That's what hjkl are for :-)

Hehe. In Bash there are shortcuts like ctrl+r (search through command history while you type) or ctrl+a (akin to home). You just need to learn them and then you won't miss the keypad.