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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
"All I wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi."
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
The Art of Rebellion FTW!
"All I wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi."
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2009-05-28
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I'd just like to comment briefly about the statement that it's surprising that so many early adopters oppose change.
This one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen here, and that's saying something.
Anyone who has a consistently pro- or anti- view of "change" should be committed to a mental institution. If you are pro change, that means you would support flooding the freeways with ping-pong balls? Of course you would, because it would be a change!
No one believes that (that I know of), and so much for the myth that anyone who is an early adapter should support any change.
This particular change seems bad to many people. All sane people oppose bad change, as they perceive it. It is dumb to accuse them of opposing "change," as if change is something everyone should always support.
Swine flu is a big change, who wants it?
This one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen here, and that's saying something.
Anyone who has a consistently pro- or anti- view of "change" should be committed to a mental institution. If you are pro change, that means you would support flooding the freeways with ping-pong balls? Of course you would, because it would be a change!
No one believes that (that I know of), and so much for the myth that anyone who is an early adapter should support any change.
This particular change seems bad to many people. All sane people oppose bad change, as they perceive it. It is dumb to accuse them of opposing "change," as if change is something everyone should always support.
Swine flu is a big change, who wants it?
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by fpp
I will acquese to the fact that I clearly do think and act differently than many I know (online and off). Heck, I run my personal website from a server located on my "phone." Clearly, I think differently. however, I don't let different keep me from seeing what works now, and what is changing to what's later.
Yup, I'm an old fart all right, so set in his ways he can't even see the writing on the wall.
But you, my friend, sound just like the young Bob Dylan is the sixties :
Just look at him now :-)
Dylan had the right idea(s). Sure, he had some questionable methods (as do I, see my site Mobile Ministry Magazine). But the validity in vision is never made in the present time, its made when the future looks back to the past and catches an "ah ha."
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo
GM ignored the writing on the wall in the 70s when Japanese companies showed how to not only innovate, but be profitable. They also took out their own legs with the years upon years of union concessions (financial and philosophical).
How about if I leave my billions in my General Motors stock and just show up at their front door, mute, and hand them ... an iPod touch?
Contrary to your argument, the market for an uncoverged tablet has been proved, and the Touch is the proof. Apparently Apple has succeeded despite being 7 years behind the times.
Apple makes a single phone and a single tablet (not counting memory variation). Nokia makes a zillion phones. So Apple at least has concluded that the non-phone mobile market is large enough that it is worth more investment than multiplying their phone offerings.
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Apple was only ahead because they simplified *everything.* For some reason, that is a hard concept to get thru to people *here.* You don't increase your ability to be a focal point by increasing the complexity of a device on the first go. You make things simple, and then thru marketing/kool-aid/DRM/etc make your product more "advanced" while at the same time snatching the market and mindshare from those that see the "flaws" but aren't disciplined enough to go simple to solving it.
Palm went "simple" in developing the webOS, and is the first real threat to the entire Apple platform. Google is doing the same to Microsoft. Publishing houses have been doing it to one another for centuries. And religions are adept as all get out in this. The lessons are simple, really.
By the way, Apple is an electronic media services provider which makes specalized devices that enrich their idea of those service experiences. Nokia is doing the exact same thing with Ovi, and Maemo is part of the puzzle.
Maybe I should see if Nokia/Maemo are looking for futurists/evangelists, seems that is all I do here these days
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
But you gotta agree with my main point: the iPod touch proves that there is a large market for a non-converged (i.e., non-phone) portable wifi-enabled device (i.e., tablet, with a small "t").
Apple was only ahead because they simplified *everything.* For some reason, that is a hard concept to get thru to people *here.* You don't increase your ability to be a focal point by increasing the complexity of a device on the first go. You make things simple, and then thru marketing/kool-aid/DRM/etc make your product more "advanced" while at the same time snatching the market and mindshare from those that see the "flaws" but aren't disciplined enough to go simple to solving it.
Palm went "simple" in developing the webOS, and is the first real threat to the entire Apple platform. Google is doing the same to Microsoft. Publishing houses have been doing it to one another for centuries. And religions are adept as all get out in this. The lessons are simple, really.
By the way, Apple is an electronic media services provider which makes specalized devices that enrich their idea of those service experiences. Nokia is doing the exact same thing with Ovi, and Maemo is part of the puzzle.
Maybe I should see if Nokia/Maemo are looking for futurists/evangelists, seems that is all I do here these days
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Originally Posted by danramos
Which "we all" is that? the mere 25% of the community that are against a Maemo Tablet having 3G data? The mere 12% that are against it having non-VOIP phone service?
which makes it a smartphone--not the type of tablet device that we all bought and loved with the freedoms we want in such a very portable computing device.
As far as I can tell from the tablet survey, the "definitely yes 3G!" and "definitely no 3G!" camps, _combined_, are less than half of the community. (and on being a voice phone, the combined "definitely yes" and "definitely no" camps are less than 20% of the respondents).
While the sample space is still small, it leads me to believe that "we all", as an entire community, do not agree with what you just said. As a community, "we all" don't seem to care, one way nor the other, about it being a smartphone vs a non-phone. The people who DO care about it being a non-phone (you) or a smartphone (me), are the minority. When it comes to this issue, neither you, nor I, represent "we all".
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Sorry, but you are not making any sense. No matter how you rotate the screen, it will still have the same area, same number of pixels, so the amount of text will be the same.
In case by case [accelerometer-based automatic rotation] can allow more (ore place more efficient) text on screen because the amount of pixels from left to right increases a lot (increases with about 100%).
Really! Wow. If you'd combine this with the magic insight that the N97 is very much like the N900 maybe we should all simply buy a Nokia 5800 right now!
Fortunately, one of the nice areas Nokia N900 shines is that it has a OMAP3; much more powerful than either a Nokia 5800 or Nokia N97.
There are many more differences no matter what marketing guru naysayers would want to make you think.
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo
Yes, and I absolutely want you to have the device you want and that's why I quoted Peter. I'm not sure if it's my non-native English or why isn't everyone else getting it? I thought he clearly implied there will be multiple devices and that's why I said you still shouldn't lose hope.
(The rumored N900 is closer to the sweet spot. But there's a relatively-sweet spot, too, which Nokia has more-or-less been in, though in a not consumer-friendly enough way, that many of us also want filled.)
"...considering that we haven't even said what which Maemo device will be." and the talk about a lead device to me seems that there are more than one.
Of course, it might just be me imagining stuff between the lines.
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It's nice for you that now you're happy (and others with you). - Still, that doesn't help those of us who're not. I don't quite understand how somebody else telling me how this device will be what he always wanted should make me feel better about it.
My main trouble is: It's too big to be my phone. Too big and to heavy. Way too big and too heavy. I'd never, ever consider taking it with me all the time. (And those of you who are prepared to say something like "Why don't you wait and try": I know that my current 125g-phone is too heavy for me. I don't need to try 180g before I know I'm not gonna like it.)
So whatever this device is meant to be, for me it's not a phone. I'll keep my current phone or get a new, smaller one. Where would this leave me? With a small phone, 2.6" or so most likely, and the need for something that's bigger and more powerful as a all-purpose-computer, but still a little smaller than a netbook. Something that easily fits in one hand. I do not think I'll invest money to get from 2.6" to 3.5". That wouldn't be worth it. 4" is the lower limit.
I can perfectly understand things look much different if you're prepared to carry a 180g brick with you as a phone. Then this device is really, really cool. But if not used as a phone? What is it good for?
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