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#771
Originally Posted by Helmuth View Post
Mh, and neal... there is something wrong with your results.

The system and utility categorie has 11 participants, not 10 - fun and strange has 5 and not 4 - and at the games we had 21 and in your results are only 18!
Specifying 20 seats only yields 18 elected candidates. Perhaps some games didn't get enough votes according to RTSTV?

$ openstv-run-election -r CsvReport -s 20 RTSTV games.blt
"Election for","MeeGo Coding Competition Games Category"
"Date","26 Nov 2011"
"Number to be elected",20
"Valid votes",64
"Invalid votes",2
"Quota",4
"OpenSTV","1.6.1"
"Election rules","Random Transfer STV"
,,"Stage",2,"Stage",3,"Stage",4,"Stage",5,"Stage", 6,"Stage",7,"Stage",8
,"First","Surplus of",,"Surplus of",,"Surplus of",,"Surplus of",,"Surplus of",,"Surplus of",,"Exclusion of",
"Candidates","Preferences","Nine Mens Morris Muhle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/51",,"Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82",,"PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10",,"pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9",,"Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41",,"Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54",,"Lets MeeGo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/67+The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26+VSpeed http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/32",
"Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17",1,,1,,1,,1,,1,,1,,1,,1,"Elected"
"Balloon Aliens http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/39",3,,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,"Elected"
"Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82",7,,7,-3,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79",2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,"Elected"
"Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75",3,+1,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36",2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,"Elected"
"Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16",4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"Lets MeeGo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/67",0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,"-",
"MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46",2,,2,,2,,2,+1,3,,3,,3,,3,"Elected"
"Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41",5,,5,,5,,5,,5,-1,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"Nanoparticles http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/19",4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"Nine Mens Morris Muhle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/51",8,-4,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10",7,,7,,7,-3,4,,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9",5,,5,,5,,5,-1,4,,4,,4,,4,"Elected"
"SchachUhr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/49",2,+1,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,"Elected"
"Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85",0,+1,1,,1,,1,,1,,1,,1,,1,"Elected"
"Tap em http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/40",2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,,2,"Elected"
"The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26",0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,"-",
"Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8",2,,2,+1,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,,3,"Elected"
"VSpeed http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/32",0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,0,,"-",
"Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54",5,,5,,5,,5,,5,,5,-1,4,,4,"Elected"
"Non-transferable", ,+1,1,+2,3,+3,6,,6,+1,7,+1,8,,8,
"Totals",64,,64,,64,,64,,64,,64,,64,,64
 
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#772
I spotted a small anomoly in the Business and Office category. Vote
L05IxdjVS3B6RXOXkFUAbTE2C07eML3w seems to have the same app in first and second

http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=11

Last edited by yaln; 2011-11-26 at 08:13. Reason: Added link and tweaked wording
 

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#773
Originally Posted by yaln View Post
I spotted a small anomoly in the Business and Office category.
Yeah, this would have been my Vote if I had known how to vote like this!

I had already voted and perhaps developed different projects in favour if I had known this results before. At example I stopped the development of N900-x-ray in favour of ClipMan. Moreover I voted myself for BashORGquotations at place 1 instead of N900-x-ray. The criticism, the insults and complaints were to heavy and I thought it would have no chance to get many votes so I concentrated myself at more useful applications like ClipMan. But I never expected myself that LUCID could get so many votes... It works great, but I don't know for what I could use it myself. I was really surprised, I had thought totally different applications could get far more votes in this category. Strong competitors - Congratulations!
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#774
Just wrote Nemein an email, asking for the official final results.
 

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And the answer:
Hi,

We will get into this shortly.

//Riku
 

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#776
Sorry for triple post.

Hi Cosimo,

Do you only need the winner per category or the first three for example?

//Riku
Hi Riku,

I need all the participants in a ranking.

Thanks!
Cosimo
Hi Cosimo,

You would need to figure out which is the best counting method.
Please refer to:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team...ection_results
If you have the result pages you could email those to us so we can put it to the web.

Some of the categories have ties even and you need to figure out how would you like to break those.
The software ("openstv") offers manual or random breaks when there is a tie.

This would be very easy case if it was just for the winner but for the whole ranking you need to find a proper way to calculate the results.

Best regards,
Riku
Your feedback please...
 

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
Your feedback please...
Oops! Mmh... what about using exactly the same method as for the last council election: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=10

Method: Fractional Transfer STV with Droop-Static-Whole threshold
Hmm... perhaps without threshold... but I don't understand what is it for?!

Okay, I guess I really don't understand this voting system. And it would help if someone could explain me what are "ties" in the context of this voting... but I would, without this knowledge, prefer to simply use "the same" without asking much what it does exactly.

I'm afraid some clever developer could look now at the already released numbers, count it itself with different "break methods" and prefer / promote the procedure that gaves him more votes than the other projects.
 

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Hmm... okay, "the same" doesn't work if we wan't to get a ranking of all participants... ...we don't have "5 seats" - we have 3 (or 4) to elect and display the others in the order of votes they get.
 

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#779
Is it possible to use the same counting method we always used for the maemo community council elections?

Thanks!
Cosimo
Hi,

This is not as simple as the maemo council election, where the order never mattered.

Best regards,
Riku
As Helmuth just said...
Okay, which one to take? I don't want to decide this on my own...
 

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Okay, currently reading this: http://www.openstv.org/ranked-choice-voting

I guess it was not a very clever idea to become not a mathematician... moreover I'm near to say my english makes a additional limitation.
 
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