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2009-05-01 , 23:14
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#71
Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
Why do we need an alternative to maemo.org? maemo.org is our site; Nokia kindly pay the bills and pay for 4 full-time members of staff, and additional contractors for other work we want.


Can you give examples? Theme changes don't count (the theme was designed by a member of the community, implemented on talk by Reggie etc.) Moderators are drawn from the community (who've volunteered). This is no more a Nokia product forum now than it was in October 2005.



Like Tablet Scene? Nothing is stopped new fora being developed, but I singularly fail to see the point at the moment.




Some scenarios:
  • Nokia somehow get themselves more moderators, and then start stamping down hard on threads critcial of them/deleting posts.
  • Nokia pull the funding plug.
  • Nokia take back control of Maemo.org
  • ...
First thing that'd happen is that the Community Council (our community council) would try to make them realise the error of their ways; but as a final resort, Reggie pulls talk.maemo.org back out to internettablettalk.com, reinstates adverts and possibly asks for donations to cover the costs.

Are there other scenarios you can think of which could be detrimental to this place? (Apart from every other thread being full of theme whining) Is there any evidence in your eyes that any of these scenarios are coming to play?

Yes, we've now got moderators; and yes, they're still figuring out the best way of doing it. But they're not Nokia sponsored, they're giving up their time to do it for free and we - as a forum - have been asking Reggie for moderators since I joined back in October 2005.




Whoa, a multi statement post with other posts quoted are hard to reply to... I thought I saw a multi-quote feature in this new lay-out before Reggie was asked to change things...
Oh well I'll just blast away and hope this makes sense.

There are about 22,000 forum members and as far as I can tell maybe 150, 30 item pages as the maemo.org members list or about 4,500 members.

Originally Posted by You
Why do we need an alternative to maemo.org?
You may not, but apparently about 17,500 forum members who are not maemo.org members may feel they do.

Granted, it may be an awareness issue for some. Others may not have the time to get involved in design by comitee. Others still, may feel more comfortable in a web forum atmosphere. For me it's a bit of all three.
(It may also be that my membership estimates are wrong. )

In any event, right now there are about 50 members and 190 guests (?) viewing this forum. In March of last year over 600 members were on line at one time. When Maemo5 becomes reality this forum could see many thousands of new eye balls on-line at one time.

Now if the reason forum member saturation in maemo.org is so low is awareness and you wish to improve that, it would seem to me that more threads inviting eye balls to other maemo.org components by way of links to content and posted announcements would be in order.

If it is a comfort level or atmosphere issue, why is the emphasis on making the forum more maemo.org like and not the other way around?

In the end though the reason for an alternative is simply human nature and the perception, real or imagined, of a shibboleth among the status quo.

"If it ain't broke... fix it until it is."
 
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2009-05-01 , 23:21
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#72
Originally Posted by mullf View Post
What I don't understand is, if the orange and gray theme is so important to "close the gap" between the forums and maemo.org, why then invite people to create a dark theme? And if a dark theme is acceptable, why not add back the old dark theme? Was eliminating the old themes Nokia's call?
Maybe, if someone starts designing a dark/new theme, maybe the whole maemo.org will adopt it.

It's not about just reactivating the old theme. See: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...794#post283794
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2009-05-01 , 23:26
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Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
It's not about just reactivating the old theme. See: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...794#post283794
Well, I don't understand exactly what that means, but I'm assuming it is technically a pain in the *** to copy over the old theme. Thank you for settling that!
 
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2009-05-02 , 00:17
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#74
Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
Maybe, if someone starts designing a dark/new theme, maybe the whole maemo.org will adopt it.

It's not about just reactivating the old theme. See: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...794#post283794
Everyone keeps saying I should do it, so how. Do you have a box for testing, how can I get one. Do I have to go buy vbulletin so I can create this holy grail?
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2009-05-02 , 00:25
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Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
Everyone keeps saying I should do it, so how. Do you have a box for testing, how can I get one. Do I have to go buy vbulletin so I can create this holy grail?
Replied here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...817#post283817
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2009-05-02 , 00:52
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#76
These 2 lines in my stylesheet file have gotten me to point b. Maybe I'll spend more time to make it more like an inverse of maemo.org. Maybe not. Regardless, this technology has been around for years. It's there for you to personalize your browsing experience. So, while you're discussing and waiting, take control and live better. Finding out how to add these CSS lines to your particular browser configuration is left as extra credit.

* {background-color: #000000 !important; }
* {color: #eeeeee !important; }
a:link, body_alink
{
color: #EE6100 !important;
}
a:visited, body_avisited
{
color: #EE6100 !important;
}

EDIT:

I've added some of the orange back in. It's much better.
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2009-05-02 , 02:26
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#77
does anyone agree that adding the names and avatars to the tops of the post was an unfortunate choice? I for one could do without some of your mugshots taking up 300+ pixels per page
 
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does anyone agree that adding the names and avatars to the tops of the post was an unfortunate choice? I for one could do without some of your mugshots taking up 300+ pixels per page
Are you trying to say I'm ugly???
 
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Originally Posted by overfloat View Post
does anyone agree that adding the names and avatars to the tops of the post was an unfortunate choice? I for one could do without some of your mugshots taking up 300+ pixels per page
Adding? The post headers have always been there, they're not new.
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Oh lord. This is horrible UI.
 
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