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	ysss	2009-08-28 , 17:35
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Originally Posted by sevla

I've never heard anyone use push notification as a positive feature. I highly doubt you gain any significant battery life through push notification.

If you read my sentence, it was merely stating the advantage

I didn't say push is a superset of multitasking. The battery saving is no bs btw, try installing 'backgrounder' (available from cydia) which lets the iphone multitask, and watch the battery plummets.

BUT, it is useful for a class of apps that is better run off of your device: Filtered RSS/Twitter/Database app that alerts you when a certain conditions are met.

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sevla	2009-08-28 , 17:39
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Originally Posted by sachin007

Agree. The app store is a big factor. I also hope developers will start developing for meamo considering it is a linux variant and most of it is open source. It will take time though.

RIght. I think they will but it will take some time.. People forget that the app store has been out for a long time now. it took years to get to this point.

It's pretty clear that the n900 beats the pants of most phones in terms of features. However what I've noticed is that the iPhone doesn't really do anything that other phones can't do but when it DOES do something it's presented to the user in a very clean user friendly visually appealing package. This goes a loooong way. The interface is really polished. For example the way they implemented cut and paste (even though it took two years) is simply awesome.

I was drinking the iPhone Kool-Aid for a while until they released the 3gs. It was clear that they had no intention of bringing innovative features to this iteration and they simply wanted to reny people's 2 year contract. When the iPhone first came out it was the only touch screen option.. Now not only are there other options but there are other phones that do it better! I'm hoping that the n900 is one of them.

As of now Nokia is ahead a little bit. But if they don't continuously release new and improved phones then they will be right back where they started. Especially if Apple releases a new phone summer 2010.

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	allnameswereout	2009-08-28 , 17:49
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Originally Posted by volt

Of course get the facts straight. As far as I can tell, he had done research for each of these points to see how it is implemented in both devices. The people who pull out the "biased" word will only do research to prove him wrong, not to inform.

He's the better person for it.

Also, f.y.i, everyone is biased.

I appreciate the effort and mean no offense; I contributed as well. My main issue is claiming iPhoneOS by default has no Maps application. That is utter nonsense. And if you share your 'research' on a forum you can expect feedback.

Now it is clear what was meant is a Maps application with offline maps. OK, clear. You can actually download offline maps with an application for Google Maps or simply download a free application with offline maps from App Store, but OK.

Originally Posted by sachin007

I was comparing with a non jail broken iphone.

Ah, yeah, you compare with a non jailbroken iPhone (why?) without taking into consideration anything provided (for gratis or a fee) on App Store (why?). Now that is journalism ripe for superb stub on wiki... come on, get a grip for a second. You can get offline maps on iPhone just like you can get it on N900 and N8x0. It'd actually be more interesting to compare the quality of the offline maps applications. Or their price.

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	ysss	2009-08-28 , 17:51
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Originally Posted by sevla

RIght. I think they will but it will take some time.. People forget that the app store has been out for a long time now. it took years to get to this point.

The AppStore opened just a year ago (mid July 2008).

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	sachin007	2009-08-28 , 17:54
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Originally Posted by ysss

The AppStore opened just a year ago (mid July 2008).

Then again i would think it would be very simple to port the small applications which are 99 cents to 2$ which are the majority in the app store. And i assume atleast half of the apps are fart/flash light apps or shortcuts to websites. With a full fledged web-browser and the ability to have active widgets for any bookmarks negates the need for many of those website apps.

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sevla	2009-08-28 , 17:58
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Originally Posted by ysss

The AppStore opened just a year ago (mid July 2008).

I t was a typo.. I meant to say " A Year". Still longer then any other platform has been out.

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	ysss	2009-08-28 , 18:00
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@sachin: you know.. if the n900 doesn't 'convert' as much iphone users as you expect\hope\wish, it would be much easier to accept that fact when you know the reality of iphone's ecosystem than hanging on to your iFart-dominated iPhone fairyland bias.

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	allnameswereout	2009-08-28 , 18:03
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Originally Posted by sachin007

Then again i would think it would be very simple to port the small applications which are 99 cents to 2$ which are the majority in the app store. And i assume atleast half of the apps are fart/flash light apps or shortcuts to websites. With a full fledged web-browser and the ability to have active widgets for any bookmarks negates the need for many of those website apps.

Is not that simply because they are written in Cocoa; not GTK or Qt.

And even then, who is going to do that? Proprietary app, forget it, and most are. Open source app, you may have some chance, but why bother for so few users? In my compare I stated clearly the iPhone has a big developer and user base.

With some luck we see some nice ports, and some nice new software inspired or copied from Android and iPhoneOS as well as previous Maemo versions. But it will need time, I guarantee you that.

PS: Oh and you lack App Store framework for micro payments and developers traditionally don't get paid in Maemo community. So it requires technical and cultural/moral changes.

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	zerojay	2009-08-28 , 18:15
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Originally Posted by sevla

How can you do a comparison without mentioning the app store??

As an iPhone developer, you're right. The app store's easily the worst thing about the iPhone so it definitely SHOULD be mentioned.

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iamNarada	2009-08-28 , 18:43
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Right. But as I was stating, if were to buy the N900 off-contract (is that the right term?) I couldn't take it to AT&T or Verizon... or just about anybody else but T-Mobile.

And that, is quite a limiting feature. Whereas you can jailbreak the iPhone - for instance - and use it on T-Mobile (voice, not sure about data) or other GSM providers.

This is pretty much the silliest thing I've heard today (it's been a quiet day). The n900 has all 4 GSM bands for voice (850,900,1800,1900), which are the same bands that the Iphone has. Granted, the 3G bands are different. So, you could take the n900 to AT&T, and use it for voice. Note that since the Iphone doesn't have 1700 and doesn't support CDMA, therefore (in the states) the iphone is effectively locked to AT&T in the same manner that you're saying the n900 is locked to T-mobile. They both can be used for voice on other networks, and neither of them can be use another network's 3G (in the states). I want to know why the n900 doesn't have 850MHz and 1900MHz in addition to the 1700.