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Bratag	2009-11-24 , 19:18
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Originally Posted by sevla

I don't understand what this device being a "mobile computer" has to do with effective scrolling. So because it's so called not a smart phone means it's ok if the scrolling is choppy or if basic features that consumers expect are missing? That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of his "rants" he has raised legitimate points that nobody seems to want to address. I think he is trying to say that the device is not as polished as say the iPhone. The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner. The iPhone does do a lot of things but what it does it does very well. Nokia should take note of that and apply it to there products.

Being a mobile computer rather then a smart phone does not mean basic functionality should be not be working or just missing all together. Instead of immediately coming to the defense a piece of electronics why not deal with the issue which can make the phone better.

The iPhone has set a standard in terms of UI. Nokia needs to anticipate the fact that it's phones (mobile computers or whatever the hell you want to call it) will be compared to the likes of the iPhone. If it falls short people are going to wonder why, especially if they have comparable hardware.

I havent seen anyone else post that scrolling for them is bad.

The N900 was never ever touted as even a consumer device but always as a geek device. Comparing it to the iPhone is pointless and is not and apples to apples comparison

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	penguinbait	2009-11-24 , 19:19
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Originally Posted by pagesix1536

Um... it's not a phone. It's a pocket computer that just so happens to have some phone features to it.

So its a secondary device?

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sevla	2009-11-24 , 19:20
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Originally Posted by Bratag

I havent seen anyone else post that scrolling for them is bad.

The N900 was never ever touted as even a consumer device but always as a geek device. Comparing it to the iPhone is pointless and is not and apples to apples comparison

Ok well with that type of attitude Nokia will continue to lose market share and I suggest selling their stock.

Whether it's a geek device or not it needs to polished and not missing BASIC features. So beacuse it's a "geek" device we can't compare UI effectiveness or experiences? That's just silly.

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Rauha	2009-11-24 , 19:21
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Originally Posted by sevla

The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner.

I'm willing to discuss that in an another thread. One with bit more logic and less (apparently) intended confrontation. There are plenty of threads about user N900 user experience. I'm not wasting anymore time with this one. Megacrazy's communication in this thread has been...well somewhat reminecent of his chosen handle.

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Bratag	2009-11-24 , 19:25
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Originally Posted by sevla

Ok well with that type of attitude Nokia will continue to lose market share and I suggest selling their stock.

Whether it's a geek device or not it needs to polished and not missing BASIC features. So beacuse it's a "geek" device we can't compare UI effectiveness or experiences? That's just silly.

Thats not what I said. I said comparing a device that was never intended for the general public to a iPhone which was intended for every drone in the world is not a valid comparison. By your logic I can rip the iPhone a new one because I cant

1) Cross compile apps to work on it
2) Get root access with a single sudo command
3) Run my own apache server on and serve web pages from it.
4) Run and FTP server on it
5) Connect a wii remote to it and play SNES games
6) Play Quake III on it.

I mean I could go on and on - but 99% of drones dont care about that stuff and thus the iphone does "pretty" the N900 does "awesome"

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Laughing Man	2009-11-24 , 19:27
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Originally Posted by sevla

I don't understand what this device being a "mobile computer" has to do with effective scrolling. So because it's so called not a smart phone means it's ok if the scrolling is choppy or if basic features that consumers expect are missing? That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of his "rants" he has raised legitimate points that nobody seems to want to address. I think he is trying to say that the device is not as polished as say the iPhone. The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner. The iPhone does not do a lot of things but what it does it does very well. Nokia should take note of that and apply it to there products.

Being a mobile computer rather then a smart phone does not mean basic functionality should be not be working or just missing all together. Instead of immediately coming to the defense a piece of electronics why not deal with the issue which can make the phone better.

The iPhone has set a standard in terms of UI. Nokia needs to anticipate the fact that it's phones (mobile computers or whatever the hell you want to call it) will be compared to the likes of the iPhone. If it falls short people are going to wonder why, especially if they have comparable hardware.

Well for one thing the chopping scrolling I don't know anything about besides (watching youtube videos where it doesn't seem that it's a problem if it exists). I'll have to see whether it exists when Amazon finally ships me their device. And I agree that Nokia needs better usability checks. There are things that even I question from a usability perspective as someone who studies and works in Human Factors.

Though there are also differences between the iPhone and the n900 that most people won't realize. For one thing, the iPhone can't multi-task outside of what Apple allows you to do, or unless you jailbreak it and install something to let you do background apps. Apple also has a better graphics chip in their 3GS (though that really shouldn't make a difference in normal operation, more in games). Then there's resolution differences (same screen size, two very different resolutions). Depending on what you visit the browser also has more to render. E.g. Apple has no flash so if you go to a website with flash it'll simply not render it. While the n900 will.

Then Apple has had three versions to modify the iPhone. You may argue that the n900 has had its previous versions to (770, n800/n810) but those were tablets with very different operating systems (heck even the 770 and the n800/n810 were different operating systems). Now Nokia's step is taking that tablet and sticking on phone functionality. Hence why you get a device that's more like a tablet with voice functionality than a smartphone. Thus it's odd to compare it to smartphones when it's more like a tablet/MID/etc.. Regardless of what Nokia likes to call or position the n900 as. The n900 isn't even sticking around that long if you look at what's on Maemo 6 and the rumored n910 device.

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	krk969	2009-11-24 , 19:29
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megacrazy, not that i dont want to believe what you say, but would you mind posting a small video about the scrolling being jerky and the browser staggering when music player is running in the background.

That would stop this thread from running into 1000 pages without any facts being put.

And, i agree with you that this phone doesnt do anything different from the competition except for the open source concept.

Things like widgets and multiple desktops have been marketed like its the first thing we have ever seen on phones, we all know it isnt true.

Will wait to see some more facts, meanwhile if you could get the videos for us please.

thanks

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DaveP1	2009-11-24 , 19:29
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Originally Posted by Bratag

I havent seen anyone else post that scrolling for them is bad.

The N900 was never ever touted as even a consumer device but always as a geek device. Comparing it to the iPhone is pointless and is not and apples to apples comparison

So it's a toy that should be sold over at ThinkGeek for those with more money than sense?

If that's the case, then it should be advertised as such. If Nokia is trying to sell it to a broader market, then it better be able to be compared to the iPhone.

Originally Posted by Bratag

Thats not what I said. I said comparing a device that was never intended for the general public to a iPhone which was intended for every drone in the world is not a valid comparison. By your logic I can rip the iPhone a new one because I cant

1) Cross compile apps to work on it
2) Get root access with a single sudo command
3) Run my own apache server on and serve web pages from it.
4) Run and FTP server on it
5) Connect a wii remote to it and play SNES games
6) Play Quake III on it.

I mean I could go on and on - but 99% of drones dont care about that stuff and thus the iphone does "pretty" the N900 does "awesome"

Here are the features that do not appear on Nokia's list of N900 features or on the N900 Tech Specs page (which includes an Operating System section):

1) Cross compile apps to work on it
2) Get root access with a single sudo command
3) Run my own apache server on and serve web pages from it.
4) Run and FTP server on it
5) Connect a wii remote to it and play SNES games
6) Play Quake III on it.

99% of drones would have no problem if Nokia had put your features on their N900 page and left out the list of iPhone like features.

Last edited by DaveP1; 2009-11-24 at 19:37. Reason: added second quote and response

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Megacrazy	2009-11-24 , 19:29
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Originally Posted by sevla

I don't understand what this device being a "mobile computer" has to do with effective scrolling. So because it's so called not a smart phone means it's ok if the scrolling is choppy or if basic features that consumers expect are missing? That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of his "rants" he has raised legitimate points that nobody seems to want to address. I think he is trying to say that the device is not as polished as say the iPhone. The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner. The iPhone does not do a lot of things but what it does it does very well. Nokia should take note of that and apply it to there products.

Being a mobile computer rather then a smart phone does not mean basic functionality should be not be working or just missing all together. Instead of immediately coming to the defense a piece of electronics why not deal with the issue which can make the phone better.

The iPhone has set a standard in terms of UI. Nokia needs to anticipate the fact that it's phones (mobile computers or whatever the hell you want to call it) will be compared to the likes of the iPhone. If it falls short people are going to wonder why, especially if they have comparable hardware.

Exactly.

To answer other questions I am not a troll. The review I posted is the what the average consumer will say. Who cares if it can run Open Office it can't scroll smoothly in the damn browser? It's called user experience and Nokia should look it up.

Clearly this device is made by geeks for other geeks but this has little relevance in the market. If you want to sell a phone/tablet/whatever the hell it is get ready to be compared to....the iPhone. The iPhone doesn't do many things because a lot of them simply aren't feasible on a mobile platform with little processing power and a very limited battery. However, everything else it does is basically perfect/almost perfect.

I love how Nokia keeps trying to avoid comparisons because they know there is none...No, this is a mobile tablet with phone functionality. WTF does that mean? You mean it's a smartphone like every other phone out there but you don't want it compared. They tried to pull the same BS with their N series mobile computer stuff.

Also, the point of this all is that all of us should start demanding better software from them. If they can't do it then get out and let somebody else try it. Attitudes such as "it's only step 4 out of 5, it's a tablet not a phone, it just came out" etc. is exactly what they strive on. They need to understand that they do not set any benchmarks anymore but the market does.

Last time I checked Android is up to version 2 and it already kicks all sorts of ***. How come Maemo 5 is finding all sorts of excuses for missing functionality, crappy scrolling and poor user experience?