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Megacrazy is offline Megacrazy
2009-12-09 , 19:21
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#71
Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
Yes, the longer Nokia and their fanboys retain this attitude, Nokia's smartphone marketshare will continue to dwindle.

There is absolutely no reason Nokia cannot provide both an open/configure anything environment and a UI that's simple to use (i.e 2 UI modes).
That's right. I mean Nokia lost 10% market share last year and Apple more than DOUBLED theirs. I guess I'm the crazy one for thinking Nokia's ship is slowly sinking.

It's also funny how calling it like it is gets you labeled "troll" around here hahaha. I had no idea this was a fanboy forum.
 
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mikec is offline mikec
2009-12-09 , 19:23
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#72
Originally Posted by Megacrazy View Post
- Better battery life than the 3GS
- Solid construction
- Excellent touchscreen
- Good signal where other Nokias used to lose signal
- Stereo speakers
- Fully featured browser (even though it's crippled by slow rendering, crappy interface, no back button, random crashes)
- Phone app makes calls fast
- Customizable desktop
...etc.

Huge step in the right direction for Nokia...but far from the top of the market.
Nearly had me there, shame the negatives still crept in.
 
DaveP1 is offline DaveP1
2009-12-09 , 20:02
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#73
Originally Posted by mikec View Post
Nearly had me there, shame the negatives still crept in.
It's a shame that the fanboys here refuse to accept that some people have had real problems with the hardware and software which comprises the N900. Pointing out problems or areas where there is a competitive disadvantage is a good thing on every other open source forum I have ever belonged to. It's how you improve.

Nokia has admitted in a very low voice in very select places that the N900 is only step 4 of 5. It's not something you will see on their web site (searching for "step 4" on nokia and nokiausa turns up exactly one mention of it - in a comment on a blog). This, in and of itself, shows that Nokia thinks the N900 and Maemo 5 can be improved.

Nokia has announced that they will support portrait mode and that they will fix a number of bugs in their next OS release. This shows that Nokia realizes that some missing features are important and that there are problems with the OS.

If Nokia believes there are deficiencies in the N900 and Maemo 5, why in the world is it so negative for users to point them out here?

Problems and deficiencies are to be expected. Find them and fix them. Don't ignore them and throw hissy fits if someone mentions them.
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2009-12-09 , 20:11
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#74
Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
It's a shame that the fanboys here refuse to accept that some people have had real problems with the hardware and software which comprises the N900. Pointing out problems or areas where there is a competitive disadvantage is a good thing on every other open source forum I have ever belonged to. It's how you improve.

Nokia has admitted in a very low voice in very select places that the N900 is only step 4 of 5. It's not something you will see on their web site (searching for "step 4" turns on nokia and nokiausa turns up exactly one mention of it - in a comment on a blog). This, in and of itself, shows that Nokia thinks the N900 and Maemo 5 can be improved.

Nokia has announced that they will support portrait mode and that they will fix a number of bugs in their next OS release. This shows that Nokia realizes that some missing features are important and that there are problems with the OS.

If Nokia believes there are deficiencies in the N900 and Maemo 5, why in the world is it so negative for users to point them out here?

Problems and deficiencies are to be expected. Find them and fix them. Don't ignore them and throw hissy fits if someone mentions them.
I think you didnīt get the point or you didnīt read the whole thread.

Nobody here is saying that there are no bugs or missing features. The point is that most of these reboots and stuff with some peoples devices arenīt FEATURES they are really deviceīs not working how they should be working. So that is why people are telling people with REAL and unusual problems to change their device.

Nokia has admitted in a very low voice in very select places that the N900 is only step 4 of 5. It's not something you will see on their web site (searching for "step 4" turns on nokia and nokiausa turns up exactly one mention of it - in a comment on a blog). This, in and of itself, shows that Nokia thinks the N900 and Maemo 5 can be improved.
You think Vanjoki saying "this is step number 4 out of 5" in Nokia World is somnething quiet.
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2009-12-09 , 20:22
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#75
It's a shame that the fanboys here refuse to accept that some people have had real problems with the hardware and software which comprises the N900. Pointing out problems or areas where there is a competitive disadvantage is a good thing on every other open source forum I have ever belonged to. It's how you improve.
Nobody refuses to accept that somebody had real problems... Alot of the problems (sluggish UI, Mic not working etc. etc) have been shrugged off as HW issues as ALOT of people are not having theese problems... And the advice "your device sounds faulty - try taking it back" has rarely been accepted as the person with the problem sudently seems to know better... "I don't know whats doing this... but I know my phone HW isn't faulty!"

And opening posts titeled "N900 yes it sucks" "Im tired of people claiming other people got faulty" and other trollish non-constructive examples are NOT how you point out problems or how you improve!!!
 
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2009-12-09 , 20:30
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#76
Originally Posted by bbin View Post
I think you didnīt get the point or you didnīt read the whole thread.

Nobody here is saying that there are no bugs or missing features. The point is that most of these reboots and stuff with some peoples devices arenīt FEATURES they are really deviceīs not working how they should be working. So that is why people are telling people with REAL and unusual problems to change their device.
I did read the thread (although I was responding to the post which condemned negativity). As far as hardware versus software faults, Nokia had better hope that the majority of problems, including reboots, are software related. If not, their factories have major issues.

Other than an interruption of power, reboots tend to be a software problem, caused by such things as conflicts between the core system and the drivers. Similarly, apps running slowly or intermittently tend to be software issues. Hardware problems are the sort that brick the phone or won't allow it to boot (although these can also be software issues).

For some people, getting a new N900 will solve the problem. Most will need to wait for the next OS release.
 
bocaJ is offline bocaJ
2009-12-09 , 20:33
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#77
I think everyone debating this issue should take a moment to fill out the N900 spreadsheet!

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...SNjBuUmc&hl=en

Edit: And here's the link to the tmo thread discussing the spreadsheet: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35128
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2009-12-09 , 20:40
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#78
Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
It's a shame that the fanboys here refuse to accept that some people have had real problems with the hardware and software which comprises the N900. Pointing out problems or areas where there is a competitive disadvantage is a good thing on every other open source forum I have ever belonged to. It's how you improve.

Nokia has admitted in a very low voice in very select places that the N900 is only step 4 of 5. It's not something you will see on their web site (searching for "step 4" on nokia and nokiausa turns up exactly one mention of it - in a comment on a blog). This, in and of itself, shows that Nokia thinks the N900 and Maemo 5 can be improved.

Nokia has announced that they will support portrait mode and that they will fix a number of bugs in their next OS release. This shows that Nokia realizes that some missing features are important and that there are problems with the OS.

If Nokia believes there are deficiencies in the N900 and Maemo 5, why in the world is it so negative for users to point them out here?

Problems and deficiencies are to be expected. Find them and fix them. Don't ignore them and throw hissy fits if someone mentions them.
sure fanboy fanboy, but if you are constantly negative it undermines your anti-fanboyism
 
Rushmore is offline Rushmore
2009-12-09 , 20:45
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#79
I hope people are not in denial- especially Nokia. I know several people having issues. My one problem is weak low signal reception on the N900 for 2G, but I do not know if hardware or not.

There have been mic problems, charging issues, reboots, and some N900s not even turning on. Most new devices have problems, but no way to tell if the sample is low or high as far as a quality issues with the N900. By design, the population will be biased on this forum. It could be thousands having no problem and the few dozen that are- and most are posting on this forum- who knows? I do know that people on other forums are also posting the same issues... same people with different names?....

Does not mean the N900 is delivered by a heavenly hand though and does have issues:

1. Music stutters and stops sometimes while on the web
2. Dancing signal bars
3. Slow reacquisition of signal
4. Streaming video stutters at least for a few seconds
5. Non- streaming video also stutters for a few seconds
6. Audio high end is weaker than it should be- GSM Arena audio signatures in their review confirm this.
7. Video codecs are problematic
8. Most of the widgets are battery sucking demons
9. Wifi for a lot of people is not usable at low settings (probably a reason the option is there in the first place).
10. Interface gets laggy and icons sometime unresponsive or lag

All of these things can probably be fixed with a FW / OS update, but the perception can be the hardware is an issue.

Still some on this forum do come across as defensive fanboys. Please trust me that your love is unrequitted. The N900 does not love you back.

But the Flash is so pretty....
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#80
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
quality control can't be 100% effective with first batches.
It can get really close if setup is audited and production process is properly monitored.
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