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Heh... I purchased at 8.80. It better get back to $40.
 
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Originally Posted by bsving View Post
I don't think you get it. The reality is not what the US blogosphere is portraying. Therefore they don't sway any customers in either direction. At best they only believe they do, and only if they happen to live inside the same bubble.
If they're not swaying any customers then there's no harm in them touting all the iPhones, androids and Blackberries while naysaying the nokias is there?

The reality is that for better or worse they have a loud voice on the net and they're usually the first to bring news in this segment that most of us watch. How they portray this news bit (their bias) will be tacked on to all the news bits that go through their digestive system.
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Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
It is quite bizarre, their love for Symbian is just killing them.

The consumer complaints are about Symbian, why not make Windows 7, Android, Meego phones. At the end of the day, they sell kickass hardware and OK services.. why the un-dying love for Symbian??????

Better yet, allow dual booting
Well, here's my two cents...

What are the biggest problems with Symbian? In my opinion, there are four major flaws at the moment:

- It's too complicated and difficult to work with from developer point of view
- GUI is not originally designed with touchscreen in mind, hence S60v5 has too many shortcomings in usability
- Performance issues, mainly due to unaccelerated graphics etc, which is also main reason for it being outright ugly
- Poor reputation

There are however pros also:

- It's quite mature platform to build smartphone
- It can achieve satisfactory battery life, for example my N900 won't get anywhere near my N97 Mini with single charge. That's something for device that IMO has short battery life for Symbian based device
- Issues with GUI and performance can be fixed with some redesign and inclusion of hardware accelerated graphics

So why not change to Android or Win Mobile? I really don't see any point in this alternative, because both Android and Windows Mobile are more or less direct competitors of Maemo/MeeGo. Nokia has strong knowhow on Symbian and practically all of their services have been developed with Symbian in mind. We all know the state of Ovi services on N900 - if they were to ditch Symbian, they would practically need to construct all those services for Android, Win Mobile or any other platform intended to replace Symbian. I don't think it would make any difference in short run. In the long run, MeeGo is the way to go in high end. However, I do hope that most burning issues with Symbian S60 can be ironed out in Symbian^3 and Symbian^4. I do believe it's possible to create good enought user experience, if Nokia gets it right. Also Qt should help application developers with their pains, but that also remains to be seen. For high end devices, Symbian is practically dead. If it wasn't, it wouldn't make sense to concentrate so much effort on MeeGo.

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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
If they're not swaying any customers then there's no harm in them touting all the iPhones, androids and Blackberries while naysaying the nokias is there?

The reality is that for better or worse they have a loud voice on the net and they're usually the first to bring news in this segment that most of us watch. How they portray this news bit (their bias) will be tacked on to all the news bits that go through their digestive system.
Except UK with perhaps a percent or two market share, the market share of Blacberry is as good as NIL in Europe. The market share of the iPhone in the EU is what? 1 percent, no more for sure, it is only about 5-10 percent of smartphones. In the middle east, the blackberry is for some odd reason very popular, and much more so than the iPhone.

Android is a totally different game. Android is used on Samsung and Sony Ericsson together with HTC of course. Again, Motorola and "Droid" is nowhere to be found. Android is still small, but it will be Sony Ericsson that will deliver android to the masses, not HTC or Samsung and certainly not Motorola. It will be done with small devices like the X10 Mini.

The vast majority of people don't care about apps, they don't care about games, they don't even care about internet on their phones. They want a good looking thing that can be used to communicate with other people, using the communication channels they already are using.
 
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bsving... wow.. I had to whistle at your post. I couldn't disagree more with pretty much everything and every individual element of what you said. Wow.
 
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Originally Posted by bsving View Post
Except UK with perhaps a percent or two market share, the market share of Blacberry is as good as NIL in Europe. The market share of the iPhone in the EU is what? 1 percent, no more for sure, it is only about 5-10 percent of smartphones. In the middle east, the blackberry is for some odd reason very popular, and much more so than the iPhone.

Android is a totally different game. Android is used on Samsung and Sony Ericsson together with HTC of course. Again, Motorola and "Droid" is nowhere to be found. Android is still small, but it will be Sony Ericsson that will deliver android to the masses, not HTC or Samsung and certainly not Motorola. It will be done with small devices like the X10 Mini.

The vast majority of people don't care about apps, they don't care about games, they don't even care about internet on their phones. They want a good looking thing that can be used to communicate with other people, using the communication channels they already are using.
So what's the reason of Nokia issuing profit warning?
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speaking of the biased blogomedia

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/n...tive-environm/
 
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
So what's the reason of Nokia issuing profit warning?
more competion for high end phones
sell more low proffit phones
weak euro

but they still hold planned market share for Q2.
 
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From the horse's mouth..

Second-quarter sales, it said in a June 16 statement, are more likely to be toward the lower end of, if not below, its previously expected range of 6.7 billion Euro ($8.25 billion US) to 7. 2 billion Euro ($8.86 billion US).

Nokia blamed the decrease on “the competitive environment, particularly at the high-end of the market, and shifts in product mix towards somewhat lower gross margin products.” Also factoring in, said the statement, was “the recent depreciation of the Euro [which] affects Nokia's cost of goods sold, operating expenses and global pricing tactics.”
The euro had a sharp drop (against USD) in late april.


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more competion for high end phones
sell more low proffit phones
weak euro

but they still hold planned market share for Q2.
Yeah, I was asking him what he thought would be the contributing factors Since the high end smartphone segment issue was specifically mentioned by Nokia in their profit warning report.
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
From the horse's mouth..



The euro had a sharp drop (against USD) in late april.




Yeah, I was asking him what he thought would be the contributing factors Since the high end smartphone segment issue was specifically mentioned by Nokia in their profit warning report.
sure that is the only information the market gets for now. will see soon enough when more info is presented for Q2
 
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