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	ysss	2010-07-03 , 18:34
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@Taleydra: You do see their point though, don't you? Having offline access for speed/cost/efficiency reasons.

@rainmaster: Unfortunately properly 'dumbing down' an app for a smartphone device isn't as easy as the name entails...

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geneven	2010-07-03 , 18:48
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When is my log cabin going to be a townhouse?

Never -- some people prefer log cabins. Part of it depends on the location, which is generally wilder and freer.

I am also worried about MeeGo, which looks more like a townhouse to me.

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	schettj	2010-07-03 , 18:50
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Originally Posted by gerbick

However... if the community can make Maemo, any iteration of it, as polished as they wish it to be; why is it not as polished as some members would want it to truly be? The problems are very minor, you can overclock it for a better experience, change the transitions... but those aren't really polishing as much as helping the platform along.

That is a question for the community. Perhaps the open source/user supported general hardware & software platform model doesn't work. People expect iPhones no matter what you tell them they are getting, and when they don't get an iPhone they whine and moan instead of collaborate and code.

To me, polishing would be...

And that my friend is EXACTLY the problem. "TO ME...." how many MEs are there, and how do we satisfy all of them? And more importantly, how many MEs are polishing, vs those who keep pointing and saying "you missed a bit over here..."

So how can this community really polish Maemo 5 when the parts that need it the most - besides Modest - are really closed?

Other then phone functionality, the platform is Linux, right? So we could write our own email client. We're stuck with the camera firmware/gstreamer interface, but that's reasonably good.

So what is preventing us from just running with it?

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kureyon	2010-07-03 , 19:06
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Originally Posted by Nathraiben

And this did hinder functionality because...? As long as it is clear to the user what the button is used for (and don't tell me you don't know that it's not meant to be a fullscreen button when you're already in fullscreen mode), I can't seem to find the problem with it.

Just because I am smart enough to cope with a stupid design decision it doesn't negate the fact that it is a stupid design decision

FWIW I don't care what it looks like, as long as it's consistent (at least across Nokia produced apps).

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poleepkwa	2010-07-03 , 19:25
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Originally Posted by kureyon

Just because I am smart enough to cope with a stupid design decision it doesn't negate the fact that it is a stupid design decision

FWIW I don't care what it looks like, as long as it's consistent (at least across Nokia produced apps).

Perhaps you are then also smart enough to understand that some people think its a smart design choice...

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gerbick	2010-07-03 , 19:47
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Originally Posted by schettj

So what is preventing us from just running with it?

That's the question that I'd love to get answered. Why hasn't the community run with it yet? I mean, it's still unpolished by most people's standards... not just mine - thus the step 4 out of 5 acceptance.

I personally think this community could work on Maemo 5 and make it smoother, better, nicer than what's been shown (so far) for MeeGo. And leaner.

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	ysss	2010-07-03 , 19:51
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I wouldn't mind Claws with optimized UI...

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	JonWW	2010-07-03 , 19:52
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage

Originally Posted by JonWW
My only gripe with the email app is that since PR1.2 emails no longer download automatically and if you delete from the phone they also delete from server even though 'Leave on server' is checked.

This is a known bug that has already been fixed in git. If like me you don't want to wait for PR 1.3 to fix it there's a patched version of Modest you can install that also includes some other performance improvements. Works very nicely.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56634

Many thanks I found it earlier to day and have been testing... working fine so far.

Shame no one thought to update the bug tracker.

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	Nathraiben	2010-07-03 , 20:06
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Originally Posted by gerbick

That's the question that I'd love to get answered. Why hasn't the community run with it yet? I mean, it's still unpolished by most people's standards... not just mine - thus the step 4 out of 5 acceptance.

I personally think this community could work on Maemo 5 and make it smoother, better, nicer than what's been shown (so far) for MeeGo. And leaner.

See my answer above - we have a lack of developers, and some people are quite eager to keep it that way.

Hehe, I've actually been called a "lousy developer" pumping out "non-functional **** that nobody needs" within a couple of hours of releasing my first application.

Well, I don't care, as long as there's at least one person who can take advantage of my code - but others might turn around and leave this community when greeted by such ungrateful idiots.

Being told that free software will always be crap isn't really encouraging, either.

And, like I said, many developers are thrown off by people constantly repeating that Maemo is dead, just because Nokia decided to move on. Would you start developing for something you believe is dead already?

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neotalk	2010-07-03 , 20:14
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Originally Posted by chatbox

yes, sorry, I failed to mention that the iphone example I pointed out was really saying that even Apple has fixed this issue a while back, compare to when it was first released. So, doesn't Nokia learn from its competitors or their mistakes (this is the actual point that I want to make, sorry that I didn't elaborate...ranting is quite tiring).

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So, doesn't Nokia learn from its competitors or their mistakes......heeeheheeeheeheeeeeeeee