Originally Posted by Dave999

Jalyst, Let me explain it again so you might understand. So the main thing with edge was to make it a pocket able computer so you could make it a computer. I'm pretty sure edge wouldn't be the best smartphone but with other cool capabilities. You still don't back up your words. Just useless words again. Clueless!

Originally Posted by jalyst

It's you who don't get it, Canonical themselves explained clearly from the outset that it was no more than a concept series, the real drive was to come with their range of Ubuntu phones through hw partners.
They are a sw/services vendor, get that through your head...
Now that range of Ubuntu phones was/is to have similar "docking" abilities, but comparatively speaking they were to be far more hobbled for that purpose.
(and that's even putting aside some of the solid arguments out there that such convergence devices are simply "flavor of the mth", & little more than gimmicks LT)
Especially with the 1st version of Ubuntu Touch coming Q1, which will still be based strictly around X/Xmir.

Originally Posted by Dave999

1.if enough people had bought it, they would have to deliver and that would have pushed the device spec fast.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Yes, it was a vision like lots of cool tech on Indiegogo and kickstarter. Still, if they got enough money they would have deliver a cool device.

Originally Posted by jalyst

Yep, as I feared you still don't get it, can someone else please have a go at explaining it to Dave, I'm done.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Ofc it was part of the marketing but...
1.if enough people had bought it, they would have to deliver and that would have pushed the device spec fast.
2.if jolla have something real. Let's think what the could do with a campaign. Why don't launch some smart marketing campaign?

Originally Posted by Thoke

Ok, I'll bite.



Problem with #1 is that their idea was just a concept, they've no idea what problems they might face building the device. I know this, back in spring I backed a technology project in kickstarter, a cool device, just like Ubuntu Edge. Now, this month they said that the original design was impossible to achieve due to necessary hardware upgrades needed to fulfill the main objective of the device. The new design was HORRIBLE, and they've received a lot of comments from angry backers (including me) since then.
(Also, fun fact: in their campaign they've said they had everything ready, that they'd just need to order the parts and compile the device. Turned out to be not the case...)

Also, developing a real device from just a concept takes time and money, and even MORE time and money if aforementioned problems occur.

That's what can go wrong with CONCEPTS.

#2 I think you're confusing their announcement-mindset with their intention to release the device.

You say: they don't market the device = they don't intend to release the device, but I think it's more like: they make announcements when they know for absolute certainty that their announcement won't be false. No promises = no deception, and I respect that a lot. They can't have a kicstarter/indiegogo campaign because then they would have to make promises without absolute certainty they'll be fulfilled.

And this has a lot do with #1 too, when you promise something, you'd be better to deliver or your reputation will be hit big time. Making promises to deliver a CONCEPT phone might take unimaginable amounts of money (and time) if problems (look #1) occur. Jolla hasn't too much of $$ so better not sell promises, right?

I think Jolla phone is past the concept-only stage as its OS SDK and partial phone specs have already been released. But not yet 100% real though... But at least over 50% real if you ask me

Also, other than kickstarter/indiegogo campaigns, marketing isn't cheap.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Agree with you on first statement. It wouldn't be easy for Canonical to deliver.. But as a backer, you could always cancel your Ubuntu edge if you was unhappy with something.(at release, not during campaign)

Related to jolla. You can do lots of stuff to be seen and heard without spec or finalized product, just look at Canonical. I don't want or expect jolla do make promises they can't deliver but sou can do so much to boost the brand and recognition. It won't cost you much, post stories, video blogs, do interviews, start some kind of countdown, post a post one every month on a few selected forum to show intresset in you customers, Web pages/updates that makes blog to write about it... Lot of stuff can be done almost for free. It's a one man mission.

Let hope jolla doing well in the end.

Originally Posted by Thoke

Oh, I didn't know that. At least in kickstarter you usually don't get a refund before (or after) delivery.



Yes, true, but here comes one more problem again: If they'll reveal too much and haven't patented all the tech, it'll get ripped. Well... No-one can protect their UX (Apple and Android will surely copy every innovative UI feature), but everything else can be.

But apart hardware development blogs, they have been active in social media, but I take it you think they should do something else for a change? Like Mark Shuttleworth's Reddit AMA? Maybe, I can't disagree. A little something different for a change wouldn't hurt anyone (they did the t-shirt contest recently though, but I personally aren't into that kind of things)