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Here's an article I heard this morning on my N800 while jogging. I had never heard of femtocells before. Maybe this will solve all these problems in a few years.

Small, but disruptive

Feb 14th 2008
From The Economist print edition
Might femtocells be the personal computers of the wireless industry?

TECHNOLOGY conferences often resemble massive religious services, worshipping yet another digital calf. The Mobile World Congress, the wireless industry's largest gathering, which took place this week in Barcelona, is notorious for its tendency to bless a new technology as the “next big thing” each year. Its choice this year? Femtocells, or tiny wireless base-stations, which prompted a flurry of announcements and chatter about their prospects. Some even likened them to personal computers, saying that they will be to the wireless industry what PCs were to the computer industry. Might femtocells really be that disruptive?

“Femto” is the metric prefix denoting one quadrillionth (million billionth) of a unit. Femtocells are not that tiny, but they are very small, low-power versions of the radio towers and their wardrobe-sized base-stations used in mobile-phone networks. Hooked up to a home's broadband-internet connection, femtocells provide solid indoor coverage and allow residents to make cheap calls using their existing handsets. Leave the house while chatting, and your call is automatically handed over to the wider mobile-phone network.

Network operators will also benefit. Femtocells could reduce the load on their infrastructure, saving them from building more radio towers as they add more subscribers and introduce high-speed multimedia services. The technology also gives them a foothold in the home, where most telecoms services are consumed, and could even make subscribers more loyal.

Given these advantages, analysts expect femtocells to spread quickly. ABI Research, for instance, reckons there could be 70m in use by 2012. But the industry has a few problems to solve first. One is their ease of use: subscribers will be expected to set femtocells up themselves. Another is interference: too many femtocells in close proximity could interfere with each other, or with existing mobile networks.

Yet the biggest hurdle is the economics. Today the femtocell hardware costs around $200—twice what operators deem acceptable. Operators will also need to devise attractive pricing and service bundles. Though many have announced trials, only one operator—Sprint, in America—is actually selling femtocells. Sprint charges $50 for the device, and unlimited calls from the home cell then cost $15 per user per month, on top of the existing calling plan. (Users must provide a broadband connection, to which the femtocell connects.)

Femtocells are not expected to become common until 2009 at the earliest. But if they do become popular, they could make new things possible. Femtocells could serve as “digital filling stations”, for example, allowing people at home to download videos, music and other large files onto their handsets quickly via broadband before heading out of the door.

Femtocells may even change the way networks are designed. At the moment they are seen as add-ons to existing networks. But in new networks femtocells are likely to play a more central role, to the detriment of big, costly radio towers. This would be bad for the big telecoms-equipment firms, such as Ericsson, Nokia-Siemens and Alcatel-Lucent, which sell the gear used in today's networks. It also may explain why femtocells have so far mostly been pushed by start-ups, such as Airvana, ip.access and Ubiquisys.

Femtocells are indeed reminiscent of personal computers, in that they threaten to disrupt the industry. But whether they will dethrone big base-stations, as the PC dethroned minicomputers and mainframes, remains to be seen. After all, the mobile industry's “next big things” often turn out to be smaller than expected.

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Originally Posted by mannakiosk View Post
What was the name of that wimax tablet, again?
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Maybe you need the wimax tablet, Betty?
Well... yes? I guess that *would* take me back to the EEC PC according to this article from Jan. 9, 2008:

The first gadget to come with built-in WiMax capability may be a new model of the EeePC, a diminutive laptop from ASUSTek Computer. The Taiwanese company started selling a version of the cheap computer without WiMax in the fourth quarter of last year and has sold 350,000 globally, Chief Executive Jonney Shih said.

An Eee with built-in WiMax will be available in the second quarter, Shih said. A price has not been decided.
(http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home)

If it goes Windows, though - forget it. I just don't want the hassle of that operating system and the junk that floats down that internet pipe.

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Nokia is releasing a wimax-enabled tablet very soon. There are threads on it under the news section here.
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Canadians are getting hosed by hosers (eh). Just a short look at google pops up newspaper articles showing how high cellphone rates affect business around here and if it affects business, it's not too hard to see how it affects the spending habits of individuals; ( http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/te...s/economy.html) and an associated comparison of Rogers' Canadian plan with AT&T's US plan (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2087/125/)

I don't know if I'd qualify as an 'average' N800 user in Canada (the fact I'm female alone probably drops me out of that segment), but I never did and highly doubt I will ever use the N800 with a cellphone.

So the cellphone+N8xx = SmartPhone line of reasoning is dead to me, personally.

After owning PlayThing now for three weeks, I can see its strengths and weaknesses from a totally non-geeky (in the best way) perspective.

Pros:

1. It works well (once you get the hang of it).

2. The programs are free and do the basics.

3. The public forum support is friendly (here, at least).

4. It's cheap for on-the-go internet cruising and great for internet radio.

5. It's got that neato video camera (that I don't use) and a camera (that is fun to play with) and I can record (good for using in court, if I ever feel the need ).


Cons:

1. I. Can't. Read. The. Fonts. The screen's just too damned small for comfortable reading and increasing the fonts just means I'm scrolling back and forth a lot.

2. Keyboard issues. The Ultra-Slim bluetooth one I got is fine. But it does mean an extra bag to carry around. Pecking at the onscreen keyboard is slow and I tried the N810 keyboard and found that to be too cramped.

3. PIM issues. There's nothing out there (yet?) that'll allow me to easily sync with my mac's Address Book. My mac. Not a windows or linux set-up. A mac - without running bootcamp. I want to sync directly with my Address Book (or at least find something that will accept an exported multiple-card file instead of individual cards and sync *all* the info, not just one name, the first phone number detected and an email address).

You know, in another year or so, I'm seriously going to check out the EEE PC and see what's improved on it and compare and contrast it with the N800.

In the end, I realize that if I really *am* looking for on-the-go travel internet access, the N800 doesn't really fit my needs totally - at least while I'm in Canada and while I'm dealing with eyesight strain.

If the EEE PC keeps down in the $300 level and has most of the qualities of the N800, has an integrated keyboard that doesn't make my fingers squashed, has a screen large enough for me to read without straining or excessive scrolling and no big ol' warning signs, I would consider getting it. In a year - I figure a year's worth of use is worth the price of the N800.

The EEE PC is appealing to me 'cause it's small and light enough not to take up too much room in a bag, it seems to do the basic stuff I'd want and what the N800 does (i.e. everything everyone else is doing in coffee shops with their laptops - cruising the 'net, writing off emails and maybe writing more substantial), ... .

Of course, *I* have a bag (a leather courrier bag but a bag, none the less). Which, when you look at the pretty colours the EEE PC comes in, makes it pretty obvious that the company is aiming for a lot of women like me.

The N800 certainly has a place in my heart now. In the future, I see it spending most of its time as an alarm/internet radio/bedside internet tablet. Which is a good vision since this means it'll be used for years and I will always think of it as money well-spent.

But I'm not slavish enough to a brand (or I would have just marched into an Apple store and bought an iTouch without thinking) and the N800 will have competition with the EEE PC - next year.
I too am frustrated with n800. Browser sucks as far as zooming, free wifi is about as common as low income taxes. Apple seems to have understood that! When next gen iphone hits Rogers, i will probably give it a try.

*** you might check out Archos 705. Same resolution but at least the screen is 7 inches. but then no PC functionality - it is a closed system with limited applications (pay as you go actually).

*** The EEE has the same screen resolution also 7 inch. For a few 100 bucks more, you could buy a 13 inch laptop 1400 x 900 which weighs 3 or 4 pounds. I probably should have done that. The 10 and 12 inch laptops are over priced.

Next EEEs will have windows

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I too am frustrated with n800. Browser sucks as far as zooming, free wifi is about as common as low income taxes. Apple seems to have understood that! When next gen iphone hits Rogers, i will probably give it a try.

*** you might check out Archos 705. Same resolution but at least the screen is 7 inches. but then no PC functionality - it is a closed system with limited applications (pay as you go actually).

*** The EEE has the same screen resolution also 7 inch. For a few 100 bucks more, you could buy a 13 inch laptop 1400 x 900 which weighs 3 or 4 pounds. I probably should have done that. The 10 and 12 inch laptops are over priced.

Next EEEs will have windows
If the EEEs have windows, they're off the table for me completely. I'm not dealing with virus threats and blue screens of death. I'm just... not. I'm not sure how they expect to keep the price low if Bill has anything to do with it, either.

See? For me, it all *does* come down to those 'few 100 bucks more'. I'm not poor but I'm trying to be a very sharp consumer and not buy more than I actually need (unless, you know, I get distracted by The Shiney like I was when my friend innocently showed me his N800 toy and, damned, it was under $225).

Been there, done that, got the bills to prove I used to do it.

I especially find that laptops, with their higher rate of repairs, are lousy assets and depreciate in value and usefulness much faster than my desktop set-up.

So, for me to consider one, it'll either have to be relatively cheap and have a screen I can actually read without squinting or scrolling all over the place (and Linux-y) so I'll be happy if I get a year or two of real usefullness out of it or I'll by-pass cheap windows machines and invest in a basic, refurb MacBook with AppleCare that know I can use for years.

Of course, my last mac lasted me seven years with about $400 in internal upgrades so I guess I'm not your average computer user, either

Then again, there are these people who bought out the first batch of Amazon.com's $400US Kindle "wireless reading device". I don't get that one. It doesn't even have internet surfing capabilities that I can read in the description... .
 

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I like that marcrobert-- you just jumped from the N800 to a full-fledged laptop.

Different form factors for different uses and expectations. The N800 works for some of us, regardless of any zooming or wifi issues, but there are always qualifiers. I'm just glad I don't have to rely on my little cell phone screen or lug a laptop to check movie listings when I'm on the road. N800 works just fine for me.
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Heck, yeah.

A basic MacBook's value per $100 is higher to me than that of a mid-range windows machine any day. And the higher the actual threshold cost of a non-Apple laptop that would satisfy my needs, the less space there is between the final cost of the adequate windows/linux machine and just buying a MacBook that I *know* I'd be happy with?

Yes. From catfood and cola to champagne and caviar, so to speak.

And I thought marcrobert would consider jumping to an iPhone?

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The EEE doesn't enter in my pocket, it just does not compare to an itt.
For pim stuff, you realise why patents and closed applications are a pain for technology progress.
Do you think linux dev wouldn't be able to develop one? No no, it's just that the only thing that these companies have been able to invent is:
Locking mechanism
Lack of interoperability

And they can pay (a lot) some high skilled scientifics for developing new video codecs, new UI design. This is hard to do with with FOSS "business model".


Microsoft hasn't invented anything clever and opened as far as I know. It's just a marketing company. Die die die!!

If you don't pay or don't run their OS, you can not use the softwares included. It's a way of keeping the market while increasing the prices and needing more and more cpu power. Well, as long as people like to pay for a few colors, it will go on.
 
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I read about Toontje aborting the N800 after we have all took it apart to find out how to make it do something it was not designed for and I am given a link to the Eee. I make the jump and what is the first thing I see ? A disassembled Eee where someone has taken it apart surely to make IT do something it was NOT intended for. Call me Amazed.........../ji
 
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