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Rauha is offline Rauha
2009-11-20 , 09:58
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#81
Originally Posted by RevdKathy View Post
A co-op company was about where I was thinking.

Can't the community set up a co-op company, and ask sponsors to put up the initial set-up fees including insurance? It would only need one insurance for the team.
Co-op route might have some difficulties if it's applied internationally. Distributing income to developers from various countries with different currencies, getting insurance if it needs to cover consumer right liabilities in several different legal systems etc.
 
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2009-11-20 , 10:09
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#82
Originally Posted by fenris23 View Post
The surprise barriers to entry really conflict with the rhetoric of openness that the n900's marketing espouses.
For openness there is the maemo extras repository. Depending on what you view as open, I'd take open source into account there. And yes, even if I would like to see private persons to be able to make a dime from their apps, I really hope to see loads of open and free applications for the device.

So maybe you need to define what "open" means to you and look if that is the same openness which is meant by the maemo people.
 
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2009-11-20 , 10:10
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#83
Originally Posted by code177 View Post
I'm sorry but, what the ****?

I don't think anybody currently involved in maemo development is taking OSS code and reworking it to be sold.
And nobody ever said that.
 
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2009-11-20 , 10:31
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#84
Originally Posted by naabi View Post
For Nokia's sake this should be just the first step. I don't see why they wouldn't want the money from the small applications that Apple is collecting all the time.
I just canceled one unwritten post. Let me take the idea up again: Maemo should not be about paid mini apps in some more or less obscure app store - Maemo should be about free and open software. And I really do hope that this phone gets enough drive to attract open source developers to this platform.

Paid apps for me are the second rate citizens in this eco system. Not that I'm envious of people making a few dollars with their applications, but I was "raised" in a completely different mindset.
 

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2009-11-20 , 10:33
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#85
Originally Posted by SubCore View Post
Thank You!

Hopefully, the decision making process won't take months, because then it would be too late.
This has to be resolved now, else many small scale developers will look elsewhere or start their own repositories, and Ovi will remain stillborn. Maemo 5/N900 is the chance for Ovi to establish itself, and this chance diminishes every day.
Ummm. As said before: There are the maemo.org repositories for your applications. OVI is not needed to publish your applications for this device and never has been for pusblishing applications for devices which came before the N900.
 
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2009-11-20 , 10:41
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#86
Originally Posted by RevdKathy View Post
Yes, it might be easier. But for Bears of very little brain, Ovi is what they will find. Many people will never make it out beyond that, so they won't find the apps and the devs won't reach them.
Now, even Bears of little brain can find the honey-smelling Ovi icons littered all over the N900 desktop and the N900 application menu. Too bad ALL those links lead to 'coming soon' screens, and the place that has QA tested, free in all senses of the word, 50+ applications BEFORE the device was launched is hidden under a 'Select' moniker and disabled by default.

I don't think it's the Bears of little brain that are the main problem here.
 

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2009-11-20 , 10:45
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#87
Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
Now, even Bears of little brain can find the honey-smelling Ovi icons littered all over the N900 desktop
Isn't there a huge Maemo Select button right next to that Ovi button by default?
 
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2009-11-20 , 10:53
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#88
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Maemo apps submitted to the Ovi store will go through a testing process! Legal requirements and testing requirements are totally different things, one doesn't exclude the other.
Can we get a friendly pointer to some documentation that would describe the testing/approval process for Maemo devices ?
 

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2009-11-20 , 11:13
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#89
Originally Posted by naabi View Post
For Nokia's sake this should be just the first step. I don't see why they wouldn't want the money from the small applications that Apple is collecting all the time. Maybe when the next generation Maemo devices come available...
I would do so many things differently from Nokia Corp. these days, but I guess they did something right in the past...

For example, why don't they simply waive the bloody hurdle fees and other unnecessary hoops initially in order to attract developers and help them stay afloat while the userbase of the new platform is still relatively small??

Later on I'd consider establishing some sort of "progressive taxation" regime as in the Nordic countries, although I suspect the well enumerated Nokia management isn't to happy about that concept in general.

If I've understood correctly, Apple app store payment methods include AT&T phone bill. IMO this is vital to make buying the cheap stuff as easy as possible. Nokia has not been able to make this kind of a deal in the U.S.
Sure... what we all need is yet another revenue sucker in the supply chain, and this would obviously necessitate having a limited number or even exclusive "service providers" in each geography. And all these additional steps will need to feed the required swarms of hungry lawyers and pencilpushers/managers managing the numerous (?) micropayment streams...

Too many companies and departments want their paws in this pie. It should be really, really simple for the app developer and the customer.
 

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2009-11-20 , 11:14
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#90
Originally Posted by ewan View Post
Isn't there a huge Maemo Select button right next to that Ovi button by default?
That single icon is almost hiding Extras better than a snake is hiding it's legs. There is absolutely NO mention of maemo.org or the Extras repository on Select (but plenty of Ovi and Store marquees). The closest you get is a tab saying 'from Maemo community'. Then, when/if you unsuspectingly click an application's download button, suddenly you get the elusive Extras repo enabled in the background.

Even Bears with quite a bit of brain will not know what just happened there. They click download calculator, and suddenly BAM, 50+ free apps appear out of the thin air in your application manager. Still too close to 'easter egg' status, especially compared to the Ovi's (underutilized) omnipresence.
 

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