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2010-10-06
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada
If you think Intel can be successful in anything outside of their core competency of shafting AMD then I'll have some of what you're smoking.
There is really only one reason MeeGo might do any good:
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2010-10-06
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada
there is this phrase called "you didn't do enough research" and what you just did was admitting that you didn't do any.
In the end yes: you should focus your flagship devices on end users, not on developers.
Doing that with N900 was a big waste of time, seriously how many developers have joined and has substantially added killer software to the N900 library? Let me rephrase that: how many small developers have sprouted and started making a living off of developing for Maemo?
second thing, N900 wasn't the flagship, N97 was....
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2010-10-06
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#84
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[QUOTE=PradaBrada;834288]
Symbian straight out fails here. Maemo itself is a bit beta, but still nice. However it has practically no refined app system with killer apps. No app store or killer apps = no market traction = no developers on board = no killer apps, rinse and repeat.
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Allow me to doubt your premise here. What exactly do you understand by 'refined app system with killer apps'? Most of the apps frequently downloaded for iOS and Android provide basic functionality already on board Symbian devices. Other not-so-needed apps like Angry Birds (or is this an essential?) exist for Symbian as well. Maemo has so far only one device and it's a niche product, but MeeGo should have even better variety in apps when it comes out.
Am I correct in thinking that you prefer a bare-bone OS with little out of the box functionality over something that offers you all the essentials right from the start?
Oh and please, give me some examples of 'killer apps'. I can't really think of any.
Symbian straight out fails here. Maemo itself is a bit beta, but still nice. However it has practically no refined app system with killer apps. No app store or killer apps = no market traction = no developers on board = no killer apps, rinse and repeat.
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Allow me to doubt your premise here. What exactly do you understand by 'refined app system with killer apps'? Most of the apps frequently downloaded for iOS and Android provide basic functionality already on board Symbian devices. Other not-so-needed apps like Angry Birds (or is this an essential?) exist for Symbian as well. Maemo has so far only one device and it's a niche product, but MeeGo should have even better variety in apps when it comes out.
Am I correct in thinking that you prefer a bare-bone OS with little out of the box functionality over something that offers you all the essentials right from the start?
Oh and please, give me some examples of 'killer apps'. I can't really think of any.
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2010-10-06
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#85
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada
Please choose your words wisely then. In the end devels and users who are able to customize and do magic with n900 do not care so much. My point was that to these people Maemo surely is not failure as you falsely tried to generally say. How many times has it been said that N900 is mostly for devels and people who like to live on "edge" (you can make humor out of that as usual)? For example I would never ever use this for doing business. For that I use bare bones phone with standby time of at least week and OS that is mature.
In the end yes: you should focus your flagship devices on end users, not on developers.
Flagship? Any references for that?
ps.
Why you like to keep your style of writing on provocative & flaming side? Ever thought taking it back couple of notches to more thoughtful and analytical?
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2010-10-06
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[QUOTE=saldas;834427]
And you want to talk about "out of the box functionality"? How about about having a desktop program that allows me to sync my info with my N900 easily. It's been almost a full year since the N900 was released, and there still isn't a shred of solid support via Ovi Suite or PC Suite.
So pipe down with your arrogant "my device can do anything yours can do and better" because it just isn't true.
The difference between an N900 running Maemo and a device running iOS or Android is that, with the N900, you absolutely HAVE to hack/install programs to bring it up to a proper level of functionality, whereas with iOS or Android, you hack/install programs just for fun.
As for Meego, if Nokia follows the same support path as it has with Maemo, it will fail. Maybe then they'll be smart and move to Android.
Originally Posted by PradaBrada
You Nokia fanboys are so clueless. You know what would be a "killer app" a media player on my $400+ N900 that doesn't mix up my album art and remembers the playback position of my podcasts. Every time I open the Maps app and do a search, I inevitably get results for Nebraska or New Jersey (I live in NYC btw). How about that for a killer app?
Symbian straight out fails here. Maemo itself is a bit beta, but still nice. However it has practically no refined app system with killer apps. No app store or killer apps = no market traction = no developers on board = no killer apps, rinse and repeat.
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Allow me to doubt your premise here. What exactly do you understand by 'refined app system with killer apps'? Most of the apps frequently downloaded for iOS and Android provide basic functionality already on board Symbian devices. Other not-so-needed apps like Angry Birds (or is this an essential?) exist for Symbian as well. Maemo has so far only one device and it's a niche product, but MeeGo should have even better variety in apps when it comes out.
Am I correct in thinking that you prefer a bare-bone OS with little out of the box functionality over something that offers you all the essentials right from the start?
Oh and please, give me some examples of 'killer apps'. I can't really think of any.
And you want to talk about "out of the box functionality"? How about about having a desktop program that allows me to sync my info with my N900 easily. It's been almost a full year since the N900 was released, and there still isn't a shred of solid support via Ovi Suite or PC Suite.
So pipe down with your arrogant "my device can do anything yours can do and better" because it just isn't true.
The difference between an N900 running Maemo and a device running iOS or Android is that, with the N900, you absolutely HAVE to hack/install programs to bring it up to a proper level of functionality, whereas with iOS or Android, you hack/install programs just for fun.
As for Meego, if Nokia follows the same support path as it has with Maemo, it will fail. Maybe then they'll be smart and move to Android.
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2010-10-06
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Ari Jaaksi leaves, the WeTab marketing director Helmut Hoffer gets caught making fake 5 star Amazon reviews... there's a lot of drama around MeeGo.
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2010-10-06
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[QUOTE=techngro;834439]
On a serious note, I specifically mentioned Maemo as a niche device. Capiche? You cannot expect the same level of support and development for it as Symbian does. Now, do I hear any killer app proposition for Symbian? Because this is specifically what I asked for. It's so funny to be taken out of context. You are no less a hater than I am a fanboy.
Last edited by saldas; 2010-10-06 at 06:58.
Originally Posted by saldas
I sense a lot of anger in you, young padawan..
You Nokia fanboys are so clueless. You know what would be a "killer app" a media player on my $400+ N900 that doesn't mix up my album art and remembers the playback position of my podcasts. Every time I open the Maps app and do a search, I inevitably get results for Nebraska or New Jersey (I live in NYC btw). How about that for a killer app?
And you want to talk about "out of the box functionality"? How about about having a desktop program that allows me to sync my info with my N900 easily. It's been almost a full year since the N900 was released, and there still isn't a shred of solid support via Ovi Suite or PC Suite.
So pipe down with your arrogant "my device can do anything yours can do and better" because it just isn't true.
The difference between an N900 running Maemo and a device running iOS or Android is that, with the N900, you absolutely HAVE to hack/install programs to bring it up to a proper level of functionality, whereas with iOS or Android, you hack/install programs just for fun.
As for Meego, if Nokia follows the same support path as it has with Maemo, it will fail. Maybe then they'll be smart and move to Android.
On a serious note, I specifically mentioned Maemo as a niche device. Capiche? You cannot expect the same level of support and development for it as Symbian does. Now, do I hear any killer app proposition for Symbian? Because this is specifically what I asked for. It's so funny to be taken out of context. You are no less a hater than I am a fanboy.
Last edited by saldas; 2010-10-06 at 06:58.
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2010-10-06
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This is almost worst thread ever...
People leave companies when they get bored, that's all folks.
Nokia failed in many issues lately, the main is - their share in world's mobile market is halved, but that's logical. They have new, big and powerful competitors.
They shouldn't have abandoned their only platform that can compete - maemo, but they did it and they failed big time. They're trying to compensate with Meego, but that OS should have been released yesterday if they want to get rid off rumors, gossips, ceo-leavings etc.
They will fail more if they carry on with this tempo, because more and more people are attracted with competitors products (google and apple), because they lack of (our second problem) marketing.
I really don't know what's going on up there (in Finland), but if they don't hurry, people will remember the country as Santa Klaus homeland, not Nokia homeland...
People leave companies when they get bored, that's all folks.
Nokia failed in many issues lately, the main is - their share in world's mobile market is halved, but that's logical. They have new, big and powerful competitors.
They shouldn't have abandoned their only platform that can compete - maemo, but they did it and they failed big time. They're trying to compensate with Meego, but that OS should have been released yesterday if they want to get rid off rumors, gossips, ceo-leavings etc.
They will fail more if they carry on with this tempo, because more and more people are attracted with competitors products (google and apple), because they lack of (our second problem) marketing.
I really don't know what's going on up there (in Finland), but if they don't hurry, people will remember the country as Santa Klaus homeland, not Nokia homeland...
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2010-10-06
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Sad to see Jaaksi leaving Nokia. I hope he will get a chance to bid farewell to us on his blog.... maybe he can talk about PR1.3 : p
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Doing that with N900 was a big waste of time, seriously how many developers have joined and has substantially added killer software to the N900 library? Let me rephrase that: how many small developers have sprouted and started making a living off of developing for Maemo?
Mainstream users might still be content with their old phones, but when they do upgrade they usually want a better phone.
Techies and enthusiasts want the best hardware and software or you can GTFO. There was a time the best hardware meant the best phone: that was back in 2005.
Most people I have met loved Android (since 1.6) and iOS on first sight. iPhones are pretty expensive though, but Android has something for everyone at extremely reasonable prices. This is why Android is currently dominating all markets.
Symbian straight out fails here. Maemo itself is a bit beta, but still nice. However it has practically no refined app system with killer apps. No app store or killer apps = no market traction = no developers on board = no killer apps, rinse and repeat.
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